Having just watched Adamek/Banks, i'm not so sure Hopkins can beat Adamek.

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  1. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Adamek really seems to be growing into his new weight class incredibly well. What's impressive about Adamek is his combination of hand speed, solid chin, and power. How many guys have that combination? He's basically a bulked up Kessler minus the extensive use of the jab. He's 10 times better than Pavlik.

    I think his hand speed might be fast enough where it would keep Hopkins on the defensive for most of the fight just like Calzaghe and Taylor twice. Hopkins is a defensive minded fighter first and foremost. He doesn't like to get hit with shots and when he's attacked, he gets defensive. And hand speed has always kept him weary because the attack can come at anytime.

    Another factor is can Hopkins get Adamek's respect with his power? I don't know.

    I think Hopkins can win if he dictates the pace and distance. Fighting at either outside Adamek's punching range or making it an in-fight. In-fighting would be where he would really have an advantage IMO.

    I really think the X-factor is Adamek's hand speed. If Adamek's hands were about as fast as Pavlik's, i would have no problem picking Hopkins wide UD but it's not. It's very, very fast. And that changes everything for Hopkins.

    If Hopkins takes on Adamek, i'll give him huge props. If he beats him, wow.
     
  2. alex-boxer42

    alex-boxer42 Active Member Full Member

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    The main difference for me is the intelligence of the two fighters. Adamek is smart, he tests then executes, especially since hes now fighting larger men. Kind of like cotto. But pavlik is simply a seek and destroy type fighter with no plan B. He had no answer for hopkins where as Adamek wont be as dumb.
     
  3. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins....Banks......Banks.........Hopkins.....Hmmm that is a damn good comparison:nut


    Hopkins has a great shot at winning that fight because Adamek isnt an active fighter..He does alot of standing around, and fights at a pace that will make Hopkins very comfortable, and not test his age and weakiness that has come with the age...
     
  4. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know Hopkins has a good shot at winning as he's an ATG but Adamek brings a lot to the table. It won't be a cake walk. I can't envision him "schooling" him ala Pavlik or Tarver.

    Yeah, Adamek does fight at a somewhat slow pace at times but he can turn it up when he wants too. Taylor didn't throw a lot of punches against Hopkins in both their fights but his hand speed kept Hopkins wary. And Adamek has the hand speed to do the same.
     
  5. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed. He tests the waters first. He's not just a one dimensional plodder.
     
  6. 1lehudson

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  7. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You don't think Adamek has impressive hand speed? Did you see the Banks fight?
     
  8. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    handspeed compared to what??? In the fight with Dawson he looked slow as ****, in the fight with Cunningham he looked average...Of course if your fighting a slow guy he makes you look faster, or if your fighting a guy that cant avoid you shots it makes you appear faster, in it could and in this case is the leading factor as to why Adamek APPEARED to be much faster.
     
  9. alex-boxer42

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    I think hell test that body and I think hell have a good gameplan and plan B. Hes active when he thinks he should be.
     
  10. speedmaster

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    Adamek is a throwback fighter that can brawl or box and is pretty decent at both.His handspeed might look average at times but when he wants to get quick,he turns it up.Its almost like he has two speeds .That fight stopping right he threw was a blur,even shown in slo-mo it was hard to see.Pretty impressive considering he was hit with a monster right hand not more than thirty seconds before .The same thing happened in the Cunningham fight when he was stung and came back in the same round to score a kd with that short staight right.Seems to be a pattern that makes for a very dangerous opponent for just about anyone ,even someone of the calibur of a Hopkins.He has a rare mental strenth that use to be common in old time fighters but seems to be lacking in the moddern era.Definately a must see fighter for anyone who loves boxing .
     
  11. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Stupid Noob you better watch a single fight before you comment. Adamek is no stranger to hellacious punchers. Paul Briggs is still the hardest hitting light heavy and Adamek absorbed absolutly everything from him. Because Adamek's D was worse then what it is now and Briggs is a very determined, offensively minded fighter, Briggs basically threw and connected with a lot of bombs.

    Please review the 8th round of the fight against Banks and check out the punch Banks landed at the beginning of this round. Considering that Banks is arguably one of hardest puncher at CW, this was one hell of a shot he landed on Adamek's face. You cannot get hit any harder than that. I would argue, that this was the hardest single punch Adamek has received in his entire career. But ****, Adamek hardly flinched, just kept on doing his thing and 30 seconds later, disposed of Mr. Banks. Whats his secret? Adamek's chin is certified AMAZING.

    One more thing: In light of the Briggs' fights, the fight against Cunningham and the Banks fight, I think its not unreasonable to argue that Adamek fights best when he gets hit hard and is almost hurt. I think its some kind of a survival instinct mode that makes Adamek open up, particularly making him a dangerous and fast counter puncher. Its not an accident that in those 3 big fights, the knockdowns/knockouts were immediatly preceeded by Adamek taking big shots from his opponents and immediatly coming back with his own lethal aggression.

    One taste of that aggression and Haye folds like a lawn chair. I can't say the same about Hops.
     
  12. Cruiser1

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    Hopkins may go for Adamek but that's going out into pretty deep waters. As great a fighter as he is, Hopkins will be facing a challenge that will most likely cut him down to size. Adamek won't become a one-dimensional zombie like Tarver and Pavlik did. Even in his lone defeat, a weight-drained Adamek managed to knock Dawson down and give him a scare. If Hopkins somehow managed to pull off a win it would be the last hurrah for America cuz everything over 200 is OWNED by Eastern European fighters. Absolutely owned.
     
  13. p.Townend

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    I cant see Hopkins taking a fight with Adamek,i think the weight is too high.I think he is more likley to go after Dawson.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    Nice post. Welcome to the board.
     
  15. BigBone

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    Definitely a very tough one fight for Hopkins. Jumping up from 170 to 200 might be too risky. That's 30 pounds for Chrissakes! 30 pounds south of MW is SFW, it's like Juarez fighting Pavlik, just to feel the gap.

    On the other hand, Tomasz never met someone like Hopkins, who slips punches, moves to the right defensive direction all the time, TIMES counters extremely well, grabs, makes you go off-balance, creates space for his offensive attacks (showed very impressive combination punching vs. Pavlik) and ADAPTS very well, taking away your key weapons. Adamek can both brawl and fight, but he won't outbrawl Hopkins (getting countered silly), and two levels below on the boxing level. Also, he makes several defensive mistakes which shouts for retaliation if you has an eye as good as Bernard. Adamek is very powerful, but don't have the Calzaghe type of output to take away the old fox' stamina. Of course Taylor never had the output and used physical size more than anything, and then again: fighting at a limit 30 lbs heavier is extremely difficult. So from a technical standpoint, it's a winnable, from a physical standpoint, it's a very risky fight. Hopkins would either be badly outweighed, or risking loss of speed if he choses to put on musle. He's 44 years old.

    Very interesting fight, I say: bring it on!