Hawkins,too big of a leap up for Boytsov?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Odo, Feb 27, 2008.


  1. Odo

    Odo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The very promising heavy weight talent from Russia is scheduled to face Robert Hawkins on a fight card in Germany at the beginning of april.
    Boytsov is probably the most talent young heavy weight out there.Naturally skilled,pop in his hands,fast,good finisher,right mental attitude towards his chosen profesion,merciless in the ring,good stamina,great determination to win a fight by all means,excellent punch picking,and so on.
    So far he has won all his pro fights.18 out of his 20 pro fights by way of ko.
    To be fair Boytsov hasnt been tested up to now.His toughest opponent was the young and skilled Czech heavy weight Ondrej Pala,but their fight was stopped due to a cut and Boytsov was declared the winner.
    Boytsov has all the tools to be a big shot in his weight division one day.He is a little bit small for a heavy,but his firepower plays in the first division.
    He won gold at the world champion chip(juniours) in south corea knocking out all his foes on his way to win the medal.And he didnt fight any bums there,but the best young heavies on this planet.

    But.............after 20 relatively easy fights he is now scheduled to square off against teak tough American journeyman Robert Hawkins who beat Dominick Guinn in his last outing to a ring.
    Hawkins is an experienced vet who went the full route with punchers like David Tua and Sam Peter,and who has already shared the ring with very good fighters like Virchis,Chambers,Bergeron,Releford,and Johnson.
    Hawkins is truly a great step up in competition for the young Russian talent.
    Too big of a leap up? Your opinion?
     
  2. RUSKULL

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    Not really too big. Hawkins is very experienced but he's never been much more than a journeyman.
     
  3. RUSKULL

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    Y'know after re-eading your post I retract my previous position. Maybe it is a bit too soon.
     
  4. tuna

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    The most boring HW fight I watched live was last year between Bergeron and Hawkins. The crowd was booing them because no one wanted to mix up.

    I never saw Boystov fought, but if he is talented as I read, it should be a walk in the park for him.
     
  5. UKITAZ

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    Hawkins got ko'd by a jab by Virchis .. If Boytsov is such a big prospect that people on this forum build him up to be, he should either ko hawkins or win by a very wide margin. So in answer to the question, NO this is not a big leap for Boytsov.

    In my opinion Boytsov is just another in a long line of over-hyped Russian heavyweights along with Valuev, Povetkin ... and will at best win a regional belt.
     
  6. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I think it's a good step up. 20 fights against journeymen or worse is enough. He doesn't have to be rushed, but the Hawkins fight would be a great learning experience for him. Haven't seen him since his 5th pro fight or so, so i'm looking forward to see him.
     
  7. skier47

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    How could they be over-hyped? The kid is taking a big step up and
    Valuev and Povetkin are in the top 5 of world-ranked heavyweights.
    How can any Russian fighter be over-hyped when the top American
    heavy is Thompson?:rofl :nut :lol:
     
  8. avk47

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    :nono Povetkin is not overhyped... how can one of the ATG amateur superheavies be not judged favourably when he goes pro and steps up really quickly.

    Valuev, due to his physical size will give anyone problems and make a tough fight for any boxer, any era (not saying they wouldn't beat him though).
     
  9. FlatNose

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    Boytsov should be ready for Hawkins. Robert can outhustle lazy heavys like Guinn, but usually loses to anyone with a bit of talent and skill. He doesn't punch real hard, but he'll make an opponent work hard, which makes him a perfect test.
     
  10. 11player

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    Hawkins is the perfect step up for Boytsov right now, it's about time he faces decent competition.
     
  11. Odo

    Odo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you not a little bit harsh on Boytsov,ukitaz?
    As talented as Boytsov is he still is a 22 year old greenhorn who needs to learn one or two things before he can successfully take on good opponents.
    Sam Peter and David Tua coudnt knock Hawkins out,but you expect Boytsov to exactly do that,eh!
    "Hawkins is not a big leap up for Boytsov"
    Why do you think so? Hawkins defeated Guinn in his last fight,went the full route with quite a bunch of known fighters.
    I dont get it.You call Boytsov another overhyped Russian heavy,but you dont think that Hawkins is a big step up in competition.
    Doesnt sound very logical to my poor ears,mate!
    And as for your statement that both Valuev and Povetkin are overrated I would like to point out that Valuev was called a circus show and a freak just by almost all posters here on esb just one year ago.
    Valuev used to fight wherever he had to and whoever was put in front of him.He has fought on almost all continents and in more countries than all other top heavies.Valuev overhyped,eh! Ludicrious!
    As for Povetkin he was an all time amateur great,one of the most dominating amateur heavies of all times-just after 13 pro fights he beat an opponent in a final elimintar to get a shot at a world title.
    Do you call these achievements really overrated? Name us one fighter who has fought such tough opposition in his first 13 fight in the paid ranks.
     
  12. Odo

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    Interesting post,flatnose!

    Do you remember Wlad' s encounter with Puritty a few years ago?
    Up to the time their fight was stopped Puritty had only been a living punching bag who had taken one telling punch after another.We all know the outcome of their encounter.Wlad finally ran out of gas and his coach threw the towel into the ring.
    Reminds me a bit of Boytsov vs Hawkins!
    Like Puritty Hawkins has a good chin.He went the full route with both Tua and Sam Peter.Boytsov doesnt have much experience with longer fights.He twice went the full distance with opponents,but these two fights were a travesty of boxing.Boytsov's coach ordered him not to knock out his opponents.Boytsov almost had to carry his foes through the rounds.
    It was fairly comical to watch Boytsov to hold back his firepower against such overclassed opposition.I could understand his coach as he wanted to watch his boy go the full route and try to box a little bit instead of going out with blazing guns as Boytsov is used to do.
    I fear that Boytsov could repeat Wlad's mistake by trying to take out Hawkins early landing bomb after bomb overpacing and running out of gas.
    I am quite sure that Hawkins will have to take a lot of punishment within the first few rounds,but he has a decent chin and may be able to drag his inexperienced foe into deep water .
    Boytsov is a classy fighter,but his stamina is still a very huge question mark.
    I for my part would have preffered watching him take on someone like Mazikin,Fields,or Sukhoterin before he faces someone like Hawkins.
     
  13. skier47

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    Yeah, but their body types are so different. Boystov is a smallish
    heavy so his chance of suddenly hitting the wall and completely
    gassing out like the young giant Wlad did is much more unlikely. Sure
    Boystov might get tired late in the fight and need to take a round
    off but he should get his second wind and continue to dominate with
    his natural skill and heavy hands. I hope he does tire a bit and face
    some adversity. That's how he'll learn and improve especially
    about pacing himself against a big, durable fighter.
     
  14. kostya by ko

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    At least Boystov knows he's probably not going to phase Hawkins and have another easy fight. He's going to have to bring his A game and train and prepare properly.

    While I agree that he's probably not being matched all that well here and could have been gradually eased in against the kind of fighters that Odo has mentioned. I also think if he's actually as good as he's been talked up to be, then he should be able to do what it takes this time around.

    He's probably not going to win all his future contests by early KOs.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Virchis Ko'd a man with a jab? Where can I see this?

    Boystov is an fun fighter to watch Ukitaz. He's got fast hands, and good power. If anyone should be called " white tyson " it is Boystov, not Chagaev.

    Also, how can you say Povetkin is over-hyped? He won gold medals, and is undefeated despite being moved at a quick pace.