Haye´s sparringpartner better then his opponent

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by The Clown, Oct 25, 2010.


  1. BoxingDomain

    BoxingDomain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One of the errors in BoxRec ratings, is that it takes a fighter's entire record into consideration, so if a fighter has 20 fights at Cruiser and 3 at Heavy, it will give them a Heavyweight ranking based on their 23 total fights.

    But this factor doesn't come into consideration when looking at Thompson and Harrison, as they have both always been Heavyweights.
     
  2. Musashi

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    Boxrec.com is by no means perfect, but it does a solid job approximating reality, which is more than I can say for the sanctioning bodies. And, I tend to agree with the basic spots that they have Thompson and Harrison in. I could see ranking Audley closer to 25-30, but no higher than that. Thompson maybe as low as 15, but that would be a low as I would put him, myself.
     
  3. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    haye is going to beat audley easy anyway. audley is crap. forget about all these last chances as audley has had laods of last chances and he still manages to **** up.. you know why? because he's not good enough. simple as that.
     
  4. TerryESB

    TerryESB The Final Boss Full Member

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    I am getting highly irritated!

    If you would give your mouth a break and use your eyes to watch Audley fight you would realize how underrated he is.
     
  5. BoxingDomain

    BoxingDomain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've seen enough of his fights. He was LOSING to Sprott before he got a lucky KO in the 12th round. Before that he lost on points to Martin Rogan, and was KO'd in 3 by Sprott.

    Just how underrated can he be?? :huh
     
  6. TerryESB

    TerryESB The Final Boss Full Member

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    Audley hasnt maximazed his full potential that people can see he that he has. Come the Haye fight Audley is putting everything he has on the line inside the ring. Haye is facing a highly dangerous well prepared and and tough opponent.
     
  7. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It’s not error in my mind.
    Fighter does lose points when they change division in boxrec but their achievements in lower divisions still count. As they should

    You think they should start from the bottom of the rankings, when they change division?
     
  8. BoxingDomain

    BoxingDomain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not sure...I suppose their past achievements should carry some weight, but not as much as they do right now.

    They could start lower, because as soon as they fight and beat some higher ranked competition, they'll move up anyway.
     
  9. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    a "legit top 15" in 2010 means horse ****

    the point was, thompson is an average fighter among below average contenders....and he 40 years old.....
     
  10. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    do you realize youre one of the dumbest posters on here?
     
  11. sosolid4u09

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    how can they not have haye at 3? even the most biased idiots would have haye at 3. thats hardly evidence to suggest that boxrec isnt biased
     
  12. Musashi

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    A legit top 15 in 2010 isn't meaningless if that's all there is. You consider the division weak, fine. But, if you also acknowledge that in a weak division, Tony Thompson could still be considered one of the best, then what's the problem with him as a sparring partner? He's still a better option than most of what Haye has to work with.
     
  13. sosolid4u09

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    Audley was fighting with one arm from round 1 onwards! if u watched the fight you would notice he didnt throw a single right hand!

    Just some things to consider

    - Audley was looking very good early in his career and was declared the future of the heavyweight division by ring magazine
    - bbc deal fell through and had to box under his ARCH ENEMY frank warren. This left him broken and affected him mentally - went on to lose two fights in a row.
    - he was ****ING UP sprott when he got caught with a monster punch which KO'd him! Audley got careless. He got by no means outclassed!
    - he has never lost when training at big bear
    - his defeats have come under Frank warren!
    - with one hand losing on all 3 cards he never gave up in sprott 2. And found the money shot in round 12 to KO him

    Yes he lost to rogan. in a close fight in which he was slowly coming back.

    Im not excusing audley. im not saying audley is a top 10 heavy. im not saying he will beat haye.

    All im saying is this man has faced nothing but adversity throughout his career. He never gives up and sticks to his goal. He may not be good enough. But hes trying at least. And coming back from numerous set backs.

    At the moment he looks incredibly focused and fit.

    People need to get off this guys back. He has a legit shot at beating haye. I still back Haye by KO and when the fight was announced i wasnt pleased with it! But its happening now. And the Audley hate has to stop! Because a lot of it is unwarranted
     
  14. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How can computer generated system be biased?

    Everyone have same rules how to gather points.
     
  15. sosolid4u09

    sosolid4u09 4 8 15 16 23 42 banned Full Member

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    Maybe biased is the wrong word.
    GARBAGE is probably the better word!
    Boxing cant be judged on statistics. Too many intangibles to consider