Haye 2008 vs. Ali '64?

Ali by way of decapitation. Fight wouldn't go 5 rounds.

 

Ali took bombs by the likes of Frazier and Foreman...What the **** seriously...Haye!!?!? CMON NOW PEOPLE atsch atsch atsch atsch

 

Haye would have to land some perfect punch to hurt Ali.. and considering that he would provide a fair challenger, Ali would keep his focus and not get hit. He'd outbox Haye in every meaning of the word.

 

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Maybe some writing lessons first. Or were you drinking when you posted?

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Yes, I remember Ali being scared shitless of Liston and Foreman, and of course, given that Haye is so much bigger and stronger and scarier than those guys, he would really terrify Ali.

Ali was NOT a cruiserwt in 1964. He fought around 210.

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I don't think boxing's the sport for you.


Haye has potential and he's done well so far, but some folks are just getting carried away. Let's look after he fights at least one heavywt.

 

Anyone who thinks Haye can beat Ali is out of their damn mind and this thread is ridiculous ...

Ali would crush Haye within 2 or 3 rounds ... I haven't seen any HW or CW for that matter that can out box an up and coming Ali or a prime Ali.

This thread isn't worth the time of any real boxing fans.

 

I was mistaken with Assassin's sarcasm and mistaken it for his true word. For that I apologize.

For that i'm out !!

 

Now you're getting it.

Precisely, 210 lbs. Haye fights at 217 as a heavyweight. Haye is the bigger, stronger man with the modern training techniques and skills. Heavyweights of the 1960s and 1970s were too small, too crude and too primitive to be competitive today.

Let's face it, runners run faster than ever before. People can jump higher than ever before. Baseballers hit better than ever before. Basketballers are taller than ever before. Why is boxing supposed to be an exception to the law of human progress?

He's already beaten Tomasz Bonin inside a single round. I don't think Ali could beat 3 Bonins at the same time; they'd team up on him and overwhelm him by numbers. Therefore, it is not reasonable to believe that Ali lasts any longer than 3 times as long as Bonin, ie. 3 rounds. That's just logic.

Haye TKO3.

 

Great post, couldn't have said it any better. I am dead set sick and tired of the people on here who shamelessly overate fighters of pervious eras. Its disgusting. Yes a heavyweight Ali would be a heavy favourite over Haye at this point. Far from a complete mismatch though, although we need to see Haye at heavy first. Ali wasn't a MASSIVE heavy, not by todays standards anyway, which would create a more even playing field.

 

Ali's chin wasnt as good in his Clay days as it was in his post exile days.

The only hope Haye has is for a KO. I think that if Haye can land enough that he could drop or stop a young Ali, but would he be able to land flush?

Its doubtful. Haye likes to keep his hands low and use head movement rather than block shots (similiar to Ali) however I dont know if he could get away with that with Ali's handspeed and reach. I could see Ali's jab landing regularly and him controlling the fight with the fast jab.

In a 15 round fight I would say a late round TKO for Ali. I could see Haye getting his eye closed up from all the jabs and getting worn out in the later rounds and Ali takes advantage of it.

 

get a ****ing grip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how can u use ali and haye in the same sentence!! get off the bandwagon!!

 

The 1964 Olympic mens' 100 m time was 10.0s. The current Olympic record is 9.84 s. In nearly half a century we've improved the speed by about one and a half per cent. The 3000m Olympic steeplechase record has improved less than 4 % since 1964 and the Olympic marathon record has improved 2.2 % over the same period.

And these are sports that are strictly determined by the very one dimensional skill of running fast. Boxing has a multiplicity of skills and abilities that are required for success. It is qualitatively different from jumping or running or even hitting a ball.

Slight improvements in these technical areas between 1964 and 2008 would be dwarfed by the degree of variation in general boxing ability (footwork, handspeed, defense, ring generalship, etc.)

So to answer your question, yes, boxing is an exception to the activities you mention.

As for this point, I am forced to concede to your ironclad logic. Ali could deal with two simultaneous Bonins, but three would put him over his Bonin limit.



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wald KO1 ali

o wait wrong thread

ali ko4 haye

 

this thread makes me cry

 

Jesus. Tap. Dancing. Christ.