Haye 2008 vs. Ali '64?

Ali by knockout!

 

lol. The Haye nuthuggery has reached to epic proportions.

 

So you're saying that boxing someone is an exception to all other sports, in spite of the fact that this would mean boxing being different from all other sports? Boxers today are bigger, faster, quicker and more skilled. They know everything boxers in the past knew and more. They have modern training techniques and less superstition.

Why would skill decline in boxing, but not in the long-jump?

Actually, I've revised my logic: if Ali is only worth 3 Bonins, and Haye beat Bonin in under 2 minutes, then Ali could not last longer than 6 minutes. Thus, my analysis of Ali getting into the third was irrational.

I'd rather buy some modern land.

 

he wouldn't beat any version of ali.especially the '64 version,he simply wouldn't have got near him.

 

No, that's NOT what i'm saying. (That's merely what YOU say I'm saying).

i'm saying that while some sports, mainly in the track and field categories, continue to have higher standards because better nutrition and training methods continue to improve, those sports are qualitatively different from boxing in that the variation between boxers is a much greater factor than size or strength. That is not to say that the OVERALL level and standard of boxing is not improving incrementally. It is. but only inas much as those factors influence it.

A fighter of Ali's gifts was so far above his peers in natural ability that the slight improvements you mention are not significant in comparison to his significant edge.

If I can be frank (or Ernest), Hay wouldn'y have a hope in hell.

They are IN GENERAL bigger, faster, quicker and SLIGHTLY more skilled

Why would skill decline in boxing, but not in the long-jump?

Skills have improved in BOTH boxing and the long jump. its just that the long jump is ONLY about length of jump and therefore slight improvements mean that old records will fall.

Boxing is a much more multi-faceted pastime and the slight improvements indicated could (and in Ali's case, would) be offset by the greater level of skill possessed by some individuals compared to their peers, both then and now.

That's distressing to learn. I was hoping to make a case for him being up to dealing with two Bonons in parallel and perhaps one more in series.

Ah well. Back to the old drawing board....

In that case, i'll see what I've got in downtown Aberdeen.

 

The thing is Haye isn't highly skilled, (not on the level of Ali) their is plenty of fighters today that are ranked highly but are not really skilled, such as Edison Miranda, Paul Williams, Ricky Hatton, etc. Sure fighters improved over time, but A LOT of them lack basic fundamentals which results in poor execution. As for Ali vs Haye, you just need to watch both of them fight and you will see that Haye has no where near the skills of Ali. Haye is way too inconsistenet to compete with Ali or some of the top heavyweights today.

 

Ali wins convincingly, TKO or KO mid rounds.

 

So what are you saying that's different from what I said?

I believe we're in agreement here.

 

Hayes chin will fail him within the first minute. Ali KO 1.

I just want to say that when Haye loses (which he will) when he fights a live body from todays shitty heavyweight divison, can you limey's please stop riding his dick? Thanks.

If you guys want to hype a british fighter, hype Calzaghe, he's the real deal.

 

:rofl :rofl atsch atsch

most embarrassing thread of the year

 

Agreed, this dinosaur-worship sucks. What's next: people saying that a T-Rex could kill PBF?

 

how anyone thinks haye can beat an ATG in Ali is beyond me ali had so good a reflexes that haye wouldnt barely land a shot. there is no comparison between the two. this thread must be a joke right?

 

i have to admit, i am speechless...this is one ****ing idiotic post, to say the least.

 

Haye finishes was Cooper started, KO 5

 

the number of sports that have gone backwards, both skill and ability wise are multitudinous.