Haye 2008 vs. Ali '64?

Yeah, there's also a lot of them.

 

I think Ray Mercer can beat David Haye right now. Also, Shannon Briggs will stop him.

 

Please stop responding to this *******!!! Haye can't even beat Micheal Spinks let alone Ali.

 

Haye is looking very good and is an explosive fighter. However, beating a tough Frenchman (Mormeck) and blowing out that fringe contender from Poland and recently Maccerenell gives no indication of how he could defeat the greatest HW of alltime. Haye has not even embarked on his heavyweight career yet. Ali in 64' had already beaten Liston, Moore, Cooper and Doug Jones. I like Ali inside the distance here.

Ali KO 8 Haye

 

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Sorry can't even believe this is being discussed

 

I was just watching Cassius Clay on ESPN classic the other day and rethinking this fight. No way does Haye win, no way. Hes got power yeah but I cant see him landing **** on Clay/Ali. Ali has the nearly every advantage over Haye except power. His long reach and speed will ensure that jab hits Haye regularly (who has a habit of keeping his hands low) and Ali's movement would keep him off balance and unable to throw proper or land.

 

It amazes me to think some give him no chance at all against ali,but say he will ko in a few rounds as been said here a 6ft 6 giant like wlad with ease,he would get ****ed agaisnt ali,and will get ****ed up against wlad,i cant wait till he gets in the ring with someone more powerful then him,then we will see what he can do.

 

Ali's skills, stamina, and speed would be too much for someone with a questionable stamina and chin like Haye.

 

This was part of the great logician cuchulain's response to The Kurgan (you get the sarcasm? :yep )

No it is NOT, and you accuse me of cherry picking :rofl Now I get it - you like to project your own bs onto others. Boxing skills are made up of all of these "1-dimensional" skills as you like to disparage them. You can say that throwing a quick jab or a powerful left hook is 1-dimensional too :tong Now I know why you launched that lame attack of my critique of 70s HWs. You have a huge bias toward the fighters from the past. Ho hum :tired

I think an Ali-Haye fight could be quite competitive. The '64 Ali did not have such a great jaw. Ali almost never got hit flush because of his ability to lean back or turn away from an incoming punch. That plus later in his career he became a clinching maniac - but I shouldn't mention that. Might upset the Ali huggers. If Ali got lazy and was tagged by a punch similar to the one that 184# Cooper dropped him with - Ali might very well be stopped. Of course Ali could decision or stop Haye too. But Haye would be near 220 to Ali's (max) 210.

You can say Ali was the best of his era. But add that LL would most likely beat him and other modern HWs like the K bros would be very competitve, then you'd be better off vilifying some of these fans moms than to critique Ali. He is a virtual personal god to some here :-(

 

U serious bro ... Ken Norton, George Foreman dwarf Haye ha ha !

 

You are a ****ing grade A idiot. The only improvements seen in recent years drug abuse exempt would be training and nutrition you don't see evolution work in a time frame of 50 years...Both of which would be afforded to both competitors in an equel playing field. speed and skills have gone backwards in the higher weights; as has power in most cases. the skill levels in most sports have gone backwards not forwards. if you knew **** all about training or sport, these things you would know.:deal

 

Still cherry-picking I see.

you left out the most significant portion of my argument:

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If the qualitative difference between a sport such as boxing and the 100m dash is not evident to you, there's little I can do to cure your shortcomings.

And you infer from this that I favour bygone era boxers over modern ones.

Typical of the depths of your reasoning skills. You remind me of the fool who heatedly attacked my earlier post about Miranda being overrated. He came back with: "You must be a n Abraham nut-hugger ! " No ammount of subsequent posting on my part could convince him that I had never even seen Abraham fight, such was the quality of his logic.

IMO, RJJ is the most skilled LHWt ever. Floyd is the best 130 lber ever.

Calzaghe is the second best ever 168 lber and so on...

BTW: I notice you haven't acknowledged how your inability to read left you looking like a fool on the other thread.

 

Ali is a consensus top 3 ATG arguably GOAT. Ali by 1st round KO.:deal Anyone else who thinks otherwise should be banned for the good of ESB.:yep

 

i think i might stop posting on this forum, some of you are completely idiotic.