Haye and Wlad are both at fault but not equally

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Jan 6, 2011.


  1. kolokomandos

    kolokomandos GLASS IS NOT AN OPTION Full Member

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    Wlad is too greedy, but it's Haye who brings more money to the table folks.

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  2. bremen

    bremen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would say that concession in terms "I promise not to fight anyone else before I fight you" is highly unusual.
     
  3. oli

    oli Boxing Junkie banned

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    :deal And he says hes retirering in 10 months! :rofl To me that isnt a remarkable career. He fights once every 9 months:rofl. And he doesnt want Vitali full stop...hes a ****ing joke.

    And his career is nothing special and pretty much a waste
     
  4. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There is a timescale on whether they will fight him or not but that is all.

    Chisora isn't a mandatory fight. Wlad would lose nothing.

    Why does he need to fight Chisora so badly? Chisora is a relative novice who's never fought above British level and is in no way a money spinner.

    There's only one reason and that's to get out of the fight with Haye. Saying he'll fight him only 8 weeks later, frankly, smells like bull****.
     
  5. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Vitali is the one who has ruled himself out, because he's tied down to Solis and won't budge on that.
     
  6. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But why fight Chisora at all when he could fight Haye?

    Wlad keeps telling us he wants this fight so why **** it up by taking on Chisora?

    Whether or not you believe he would be capable of fighting Haye 8 weeks later is irrelevant. It would have made the deal!
     
  7. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Honestly, from hearing all sides of the story, I just think Wlad realises he is being short changed by RTL and can make more money. If he fights Haye next, he makes, what? 3m Euros? If he fights Chisora he makes that but if he negotiates a new contract with the megafight with Haye as a carrot dangling in front of the TV company, he will get a much bigger contract. If he fights Haye for 3m and negotiates a new contract with a Chisora on the horizon, you think RTL will be prepared to offer a bigger contract? No chance.

    That's why Boente has been insistent on getting one more fight out of the way, before the Haye fight, because it's a massive incentive for RTL to offer a bigger and better deal than what Wlad currently has.
     
  8. krazylegs

    krazylegs Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well one reason might be it's 10 months after his last fight. He has said he prefers to fight 3 times a year. I know 10 months for Haye is the norm

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  9. krazylegs

    krazylegs Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Do you see Wlad losing to Chisora , or Haye losing to Chageav? I don't so the fight should still be capable of being made after these. Unless your nervous for Haye's chin. I'd prefer it to happen sooner then later as well, and was very pissed that the Chisora fight was delayed in the first place. that way this fight would have been right on track.
     
  10. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He's done it before though and, as I said, he could quite easily have a lesser match to show just on German TV weeks and weeks before a Haye fight. There would be no issue with that, whatsoever. Chisora would happily wait in line, I'm sure, and I don't think Haye would have any objections.

    That said, I don't know why this gap is such a big deal. He fought twice in 2010 and once in 2009. Coincidentally, Haye also fought twice in 2010 and one in 2009. He's not incredibly active at all. Klitschko has had a gap of 9 months before and could do it again, without any problems.

    Is it really worth this fight falling apart over?
     
  11. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i told it everytime, they both know that they are going to fight in august, not football season, so all stadiums are free, and august is boring, so they will be the event of the year. haye has left one fight for sauerland and wlad one for rtl. after chisora and probably chagaev the hype will be so big and they will announce the fight. both ****ers agreed already and are trying to milk everyone. they are both equaly greedy and care only about money.
     
  12. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    **** Haye and Klitschko for this continual bull****. Boxing fans should boycott the rest of their lame careers.
     
  13. krazylegs

    krazylegs Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But you must remember that he fought once in 2009 because he was trying to set up the first Haye fight which took so long. It only took him 2 weeks to fght Chageav. And after that fight it was revealed he suffered a left arm injury during the match which was why he didn't throw any left hooks, just left jabs and straight rights.
     
  14. krazylegs

    krazylegs Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No. but that's only my opinion. I must trust what a fighter feels is best for himself and preparation going into a mega fight is what he must do. There's more on the line in this fight because of all the smack talk so he should go into the fight feeling %100 sharp ,comfortable and prepared.
     
  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    i think haye was honestly offended when wlad said he was fighting chisora 2 months before him.

    we all know it isn't really feasible, but can you honestly sign a contract guranteeing a fight, when the relevance is no longer guaranteed?

    i completely understand all past crticisms of haye, he has avoided both brothers for 2 years. but this time he agreed to everything other than the interim fight.

    i mean this has potential to be the biggest fight since lewis - tyson, why would wlad risk it? not just injury wise but through defeat also.

    imagine if chisora did win, vitali fights chisora next, haye has to fight wlad. his money is suddenly gone as is the prestige.

    basically chisora now has the power to fuk up haye's legacy.

    haye might fight chagaev next, but i doubt it, i imagine he'll wait for the result of this fight. if chisora wins, then haye has nowehere to go, both klitschko's and derek will be tied up for the next 18 months and haye will be remembered as a very good cruiser and an average heavy.

    he NEEDS wlad to win, not take any sort of punishment and still be willing to accept the same terms, after all boente himself said they have a "tentative agreement to fight july 2nd". now it is my assumption the tentative agreement rests on WBA as well as the wlad chisora fight.

    I honestly think this round of negotiations was flawless by haye, he did accept every term. he has spent two years negotiating and throwing up obstacles, now finally he caved in and wanted the fight. I still believe it will happen because in all likelihood wlad creams chisora without breaking a sweat.

    but if wlad does struggle, or the WBA do force haye to fight chagaev, wlad only has himself to blame IMO.

    overall the big picture will blame both of them and mainly haye for the fight not happening, but this occassion haye has done all we could exect of him.