Haye and Wlad are equally to blame

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Jul 11, 2010.


  1. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Now that we know the true stalling point, how the UK PPV money is divided, it's clear that there is equal fault. Haye wants 100%, Wlad wants 50% and neither are willing to budge. I genuinely think Wlad adds maybe 5-10% of the money but all that is just plain guesswork. The fact is, this is the bump in the road that has stopped all negotiations and both men, regardless of who is right or wrong, should have come to an agreement. It's pure greed.

    My stance on this was always "wait and see". I didn't want to defend Haye but I thought there were two sides to the story and that's obviously come true. He was constantly slated as the one to blame and whilst everyone was slagging Haye off and accusing him of being a coward, I just thought they should have waited until the full story came out. Now it has, I don't think there's any reason to pin the blame on any side or fighter. It's not K2 or Haye's team. It's certainly not Klitschko or Haye. There is equal blame here. Both are as bad as each other.

    All this talk of cowardice and ducking should stop. Wlad won't budge from 50%, Haye won't Hyde from 100%. Neither are willing to compromise, let their ego take a blow for you: The overly loyal fans, who jump to their defence at the first chance.
     
  2. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    most people dont understand that boxing is a business before it is a sport, they are both at fault and should make it happen but if the money isnt right for both fighters then it wont work.
     
  3. Reuben

    Reuben L.A.M.B Full Member

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    Finally someone just accepts that BOTH are to blame.

    I was starting to think ESB was ALL fanboys and trolls.
     
  4. Cool2008

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    Why does Haye deserve 50 % of all the revenue not from Germany and ENgland, when Wlad is way more well known around the world?
     
  5. Cool2008

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    According to you Haye wants more than 50 % of all the profits, while he has a paper belt and has never beaten a top 10 HW in his life.

    So you blame Wlad, when he as the legitimate linear HW champ is offering Haye 50 %? You think, that Wlad should accept getting less than 50 %?


    Do you remember Haye talking about just wanting to get a fair 50 - 50 deal? Now he wants even more than 50 % ...
     
  6. robpalmer135

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    who gives a **** about money. bother offers would have made each guy $15million.

    Haye is more to blame than Wlad, but wlad is not entirely innocent.
     
  7. robpalmer135

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    sorry but Valuev and Ruiz were top 10 with the ring, espn and Eastside.
     
  8. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Really?

    In the USA the general public "famously" cant tell one Klitscko brother from the other. In the UK Haye is obviously more well known. Even in Germany Haye is well known if not more popular than Wlad.

    To say Wlad is way more well known is a bit of a stretch.

    If Wlad is as popular as you say, keeping 100% of the German revenue alone should (by ratio) end up giving him more than 50% of the whole pot.
     
  9. Cool2008

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    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
     
  10. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly. Plus there's HBO too and they would have backed the fight. Klitschko would surely have got more from HBO, evening up the balance of pay. Haye gets the large UK PPV money, Wlad gets the German TV money and the bulk of the US TV money.

    It's just stupid anyway. I hate these arguments where posters say "____ deserves this amount" like they should give a **** how many morr millions they add to their bank account.
     
  11. BoxingDomain

    BoxingDomain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fact: Haye is the one who challenged Wlad on the escalators.

    Fact: Haye is the one who wore those stupid t-shirts.

    Fact: Haye said he didn't care about money, but wanted to fight for legacy.

    Fact: Wladimir is 3-belt champ, and really champ of the belt Haye has too (It was taken away from Chagaev, who beat Valuev, and was beaten by Wladimir)

    Fact: Wladimir's next fight will be his 9th straight title defense.

    Fact: Haye's next fight will be his 2nd defense.

    Fact: Wladimir offered 50/50 with no options.

    Now tell me again, why does Haye deserve more? How is turning this offer down justified?
     
  12. robpalmer135

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    no hbo would have been split 50-50
     
  13. Cool2008

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    You don't get it

    Wlad wants to split everything

    You shouldn't talk about stuff, you don't understand ...
     
  14. zoo

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    Wlad is the champ and made a very fair offer to Haye, a 50/50 split is by no means absurd. Haye should take the offer and if he wins than he'll be champ and start asking for 60/40 splits. It's the same insane logic Mayweather has, because he's throwing out the most profitable fight of his life because in his mind it still isn't enough money. Obvious bull**** and if he takes a fight agaisnt a nobody for far less money than he'd of made against Wlad it just proves it wasn't about the money but the fear of lossing.
     
  15. Escopeta

    Escopeta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There is no reason why anybody should like or defend the Klits out of the box
    They are boderline boring Ukrainians.
    However the Klits are neither responsible for Hayes slave contract with Sauerland nor for the Setanta bust.
    anyone with a half a brain knows that the Klits simply cannot accept anything less than 50-50
    Also the only reason why the Klits want the fight is bc its the biggest money fight that can be done.
    They dont want to fight Haye bc of their legacy or bc they hate him thats moronism of course
    If Haye wants to keep the UK-TV money fine but then he has to accept to at least 60-40 in Klit favor for everything aside TV-money
    The Klits convinced the majority of the boxing fans that they do everything possible to get the fight on.
    Remember when the Haye fans laughed off the 50-50 no options offer and called it a lie claiming its just to good to be true and Haye will sign something like that without any hesitation.
    Imagine what the Pac fans will do to the Floyd fans if he turnes the fight down.
    Klits dont have fans other than in Germany or Ukraine thats why such stupid threads like this one still show up from time to time.