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Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Alcaldemb, Oct 23, 2007.


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  1. Alcaldemb

    Alcaldemb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is it just me or does it seem whenever a young heavyweight is being talked about, most notably men like Chagaev, Povetkin and Solis, that Haye fans come out and feel the need to remind us that their man is "the" future?

    I don't think anyone here is denying that Haye is talented, but we also know he hasn't shown himself to be the star you all claim he is. We look forward to him becoming part of the heavyweight ranks, but your constant need to badger all of us about his potential greatness and how he is so much better then other fighters is getting old.

    This week is about Povetkin as he is fighting arguably the toughest test of his young career in Chris Byrd. The week Chagaev and Valuev were fighting was about Chagaev, and when Solis takes his inevitable jump that week will be about Solis. It isn't about Haye and stop trying to make him the center of attention when he has no reason to be right now.
     
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  2. Smith

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    Whatever buddy, its no different to the 1,000 other dudes on this site who ****ing bum up their fighters. The reason me and poster Haye remind you of David is that you americans refuse to accept a ANOTHER brit may rule your precious heavies.

    And never once have i said Haye is a bigger prospect talent wise than Solis & Povetkin, theres very little in it and also Povetkin is far ahead of Haye progress wise in the heavies. BUT Haye is the man the heavies need, whether you can see this or not, the potential for media coverage to the neutral is massive with him being successful, whereas if it was Povetkin what im trying to say is the neutral or small time boxing fan woiuld be like ' so what, another russian boxer in the heavies, yawn'

    Stop drawing attention to yourself and putting words in our mouth.
     
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  3. Irländsk

    Irländsk Boxing Addict banned

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    Until Haye actually proves he is as good as his fans claim he is I can't be bothered listening to what they have to say about 'the future'. fighting Mormeck will be a big step for him win or lose as he will be in the ring against world class competition. He is far from the future of the HW's in my opinion but he is talented and has power so could make some good fights if he has the heart to. I don't understand the need to blow someone up as the next big thing before they have accomplished anything. Remember Audley Harrison, I was just as tired of hearing all the bull**** about him that I was almost happy he flopped. Mormeck TkO9 btw.
     
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  4. Smith

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    **** ME CALL THE POLICE.....Im guilty of creating hype around a fighter, whoopty ****ing do....You dont realise most of you are doing the EXACT same thing with Povetkin/Arroela etc etc. ****, get a grip, if you don't want to hear about Haye, don't open the thread, like i don't with Povetkin ones now, because its ****ing tiresome, same thing you see with the Haye fans threads. Whatever.....
     
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  5. Alcaldemb

    Alcaldemb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok I just highlighted a Chechen-Uzbek fighter in Chagaev, a Cuban in Solis and a Russian in Povetkin and you are saying that "us Americans cannot stand the the idea that our precious heavyweight division might be ruled by a Brit." Did I once mention an American? No.

    Also there have been plenty of threads by Haye fans on this forum and on others declaring he is better than the other fighters, he will rule the division, and people going so far as to say he has better power than anyone in the sport. So don't make it seem as if this all hasn't been said before, maybe you just don't like someone talking about it because it makes fan boys look ridiculous. Once again the heavies don't need Haye, they need good fighters who put on good fights and people that can be identified as either a dominant champ or a series of very good top guys. That, mind you, is a reference to the Joe Louis or Ali-Frazier-Foreman era.

    You keep on talking about his potential, which is what the Povetkin thread by "Haye" was all about, Haye and not Povetkin which further proves my point that you all just cannot stand another young heavy being mentioned. I am sure he has potential, but he has not shown anything near this potential you speak of to be a Tyson-de la Hoya-Holyfield type draw.
     
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  6. Smith

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    No you never mentioned a Brit, i know that, but i also know how americans work, that was my point, you don't mind so much if they are european, but if they are BRITISH then you **** on them......

    Remember buddy, BRITIAN is not EUROPE, EUROPE is not BRITAIN. Americans ahve a problem with brits having the slightest bit of potential in the sport, very much like us Brits have with yanks.Vice versa


    **** you dont read **** properly, always taking things the wrong way.
     
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  7. Alcaldemb

    Alcaldemb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We are talking about Povetkin because he is fighting a two time champion and arguably his toughest test to date in Chris Byrd. It isn't as if the forum was inundated (sp) with Povetkin or Arreola fans when Haye was fighting Bonin. In fact the only thing people brought up after the fight, which is something you agree with, is that Haye needs to clean up his defense.
     
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  8. Smith

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    Youre getting it twisted though, I am not on here simply because Povetkin is fighting soon, i don't really care, I geniunely hope he wipes the floor with Byrd and beats Wlad, i really do. Good on his management for bringing him on so quickly. All I want is a better heavyweight division, something you cannot deny would be the case if Povetkin and Solis had a rival in Haye.

    And yes, Haye has a lot of improvements to make, but what fighter doesnt.
     
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  9. Alcaldemb

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    No you make it seem as if I need an American heavy, and I didn't mention one so now you need to say that we have problems specifically with the British. One I was a huge Lennox Lewis fan, and am also a Hatton fan having attended his fight against Collazo. Two Americans have much bigger problems with people from the former Soviet Union, that whole Cold War thing. I was at the Klitschko-Johnson fight in NYC and many Americans were saying the KGB in New York and similar derogatory statements directed at Klitschko and the Ukrainian/Russian fans in attendance. I didn't hear anything like in regards to the Brits in Boston, so stop being ignorant.

    Last I checked Cuba isn't part of Europe either, nor is Uzbekistan, but I suppose it is ok because neither of them are Brits right? Oh and despite what you think Britain is considered part of the European continent and you are a member of the EU.
     
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  10. Smith

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    Ok ok, but i've decided, im going to refer to the u.s.a as just North America now, seeing as the most yanks(im not saying you) seem to think europe is a solitary country.

    Out.
     
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  11. Alcaldemb

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    Have I ever argued against that? Please find a post where I did? All I have been saying is that Haye doesn't belong in conversation about Povetkin vs. Byrd, nor does all this talk about him being "potentially the biggest star" belong in conversations about other fighters upcoming fights. When Haye fights Mormeck believe me there will be plenty of people talking about him and I think you would find it annoying if a bunch of Chagaev, Povetkin or Solis fans crashed in on that and said Haye will never be as big at them.

    I have been saying over and over again, apparently you have been ignoring it, that the sport needs good fighters with one either being unquestionably dominant with a series of good challengers that can provide stern competition, or that we need a series of good fighters that can challenge either for supremacy for a prolonged period of time while establishing they are better than their opposition.
     
    Alcaldemb, Oct 23, 2007
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  12. Smith

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    OK, fair enough, I accept that.
     
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  13. bill poster

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    I saw Hayes first pro fight- my GF was just staring at him with a big smile on her face...
     
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  14. standing 8countboxing

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    Haye fans are also seeming to forget that he still has to get by Mormeck. If he wipes the floor with him, or even beats him, then maybe some of the talk about Haye will be justified. Also, there are clearly better heavyweight prospects then Haye right now. Hays has said himself that at times in his career he hasn't taken boxing seriously, and has done it merely to keep in shape and look good. Notice I said better prospects, and not better American prospects. I could care less where they come from, Russia, Brittan, or Ho Chi Mein. I'm just stating I believe there are better prospects then Haye as far as Heavyweight boxing is concerned.
     
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  15. Words

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    your doing yourself no favours just shut the **** up. American fans tend to like british fighters more than most foreign fighters, and Brits have a massive love for American fighters. Most of my all-time favourite fighters are yanks, Ali, Hagler, Jones Jnr, Tyson. Being able to appreciate a good boxer is not dependent on his nationality. Most of the objection to Haye is due to people waiting to see how good he can be at heavyweight. Fair enough, he's fought some quality but he's not fought any top 10 Heavyweights yet has he? so it might be a little early to predict greatness, especially considering he's already been beat.
     
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