Haye is a joke

Whether or not he said those exact words, it has been confirmed from both sides that the fight was agreed and then Chapman refused to take the plane to London.

It seems from Chapman's side that the people he employs to negotiate on his behalf did not actually tell him up until that point what they were agreeing for him. That seems a very amateurish situation on the part of the Chapman camp.

 

So what? You are am missing the point here! Toney's career started at 157 pounds and he went all the way up to fight a full fledged top 5 HW in Holyfield. The 2003 version of Holyfield had no resemblance to Holyfield's long gone days as a cw in the 80's. Again, the point here is that Haye keeps running his mouth without having any credentials as a HW! He could have chosen to fight a top 5 Ring HW contender -like Toney actually did in 2003- to back it all up and gain respect of the neutral observers. Instead he offers little money and complains that no one is willing to fight him... this actually IS a joke...

 

Thanks for referring to me in the 3rd person... I would like to point out that Poevetkin only fought 16 times as a pro and already has a very good resume so far. He takes on the undisputed n°1 in his weight class in only his 17th fight. This is highly respectable and even better than Haye's record at that period of his career... oh wait, wasn't he ko'ed by Thompson much earlier in his career????

 

Yes, Haye waited until the 21st fight of his career to take on the undisputed number one in his division. Lets see if Povetkin wins though....

 

The point to quote was "How many cruiserweights have been successful at heavyweight?". I think I actually addressed that rather directly. Whereas you just posted a rambling diatribe on James Toney.

 

Sorry, but comparing Mormeck, the n°1 of the CW when Haye fought him, to Klitschko, the n°1 heavyweight is a bit odd. Klitschko clearly is at the prime of his career and ranks head and shoulders above anybody else. Mormeck never was that dominant, as there were several cw on a similar level at the time (Bell, Haye, Mormeck etc.).

 

Cruiserweight are by definition fighters who weigh close to 200 lbs. Any fighter weighing above 200 pounds must albeit be considered as a hw. Natural weights don't matter in that analyses. Toney, a former cw champ just like Haye at the time, fought a top 5 hw when moving up. It doesn't matter here if it was a "smaller" HW or not! Haye has yet to do the same... He could have chosen to fight a "smaller" legitimate contender like Barrett, but instead he seems to be looking for a rather easy tune up fight...

 

I agree that Klitschko would be a more impressive win for Povetkin than Mormeck was for Haye. But Haye already beat Mormeck and Povekin v Kilitschko has yet to take place, so the credit will happen when and if Povetkin actually wins.

 

No, I think you were off-topic with your post about "How many cruiserweights have been successful at heavyweight?".

The question was how many CWs? And Blade was spot on: Evander Holyfield and to some extent James Toney, simple as that.

In your post you made a point about 'how many boxers whose natural fighting weight at the start of their heavyweight career was around 215 - 220lbs have been successful at heavyweight?', implying that Haye was a HW anyway all the time since he's been walking around at 200+lbs for much of his career.

That's two completely different things.
And while I agree that many fighters who start off their heavyweight career at around 215 - 220lbs have been successfull (actually most HWs start at that weight), I also have to say that probably no single fighter who barely can take a good CW punch, like Haye, has been successfull at HW.