Haye is losing credibility

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by THE BLADE, Feb 19, 2009.


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  1. THE BLADE

    THE BLADE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It is very obvious that you are pro Haye.

    Toney has wins over Holyfield, Booker, Guinn, Oquendo, Ruiz (overturned later), a draw with Rahman a very disputable loss against Peter I.
    Toney also defeated Jirov at cruiserweight.

    Haye has beaten Mormeck (worse than Jirov) and Barett (worse than Toney's competition at heavyweight).

    Toney has never been knocked out in 20 years and over 80 fights. Yet, you think that Haye knocks him out in 2 rounds. Your post can't be taken serious.
     
    THE BLADE, Feb 20, 2009
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  2. hmi

    hmi Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Valuev is actually not very enthusiastic in fighting any elite heavies, much more the title holders.
     
    hmi, Feb 20, 2009
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  3. THE BLADE

    THE BLADE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly, Wlad will simply face Areola who is more known in the US anyway. There is no pressure to make Haye-Wlad because Haye has not defeated any contenders.
     
    THE BLADE, Feb 20, 2009
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  4. djoc175

    djoc175 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can't belive that no-one in the world would care about the fact that Wladimir Klitschko is walking away from the most exciting fight for the fans and fighting guys like Rahman,Thompson and possibly Arreola.
     
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  5. THE BLADE

    THE BLADE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well said, the haye fans should read this post very carefully.
     
    THE BLADE, Feb 20, 2009
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  6. Tuffnutz

    Tuffnutz ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Nobody better than Monte Barrett.
     
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  7. THE BLADE

    THE BLADE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Go check his record.

    Unlike Haye, Areola is more known in the US because he had more TV exposure over there, unbeaten and faced more competition and the slightly tougher competition. Haye had only one fight against a totally shot Barett is completely shot.

    If Haye defeated Rahman or Toney in his first fight, there would be no need to even talk about this. But it is what it is.

    Anyway talks are suspended and it seems that the fight is off.
     
    THE BLADE, Feb 20, 2009
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  8. djoc175

    djoc175 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly.So he gets a title shot because he has fought more guys at HW/has a padded record and because he is more well known is America?:nut:huh
     
    djoc175, Feb 20, 2009
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  9. THE BLADE

    THE BLADE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes but he should be lucky to get a shot at Wlad. Haye is the one who has to concede more during negotiations,yet he does not seem to be willing to do that.

    Right now, Wlad does not need Haye at all.
     
    THE BLADE, Feb 20, 2009
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  10. djoc175

    djoc175 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Haye has had 2 fights at HW.
    How would it be different if Haye had fought Rahman???Are you seriously saying that if he had of beaten Rahman he would have earned a shot at Wladimir?:nut:patsch
     
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  11. THE BLADE

    THE BLADE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe he will get a title shot because he will unlike Haye make reasonable demands during negotiations.
     
    THE BLADE, Feb 20, 2009
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  12. djoc175

    djoc175 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nor does Wlad need another bum like Arreola.He obviously doesn't care that the public have a poor opinion of him
     
    djoc175, Feb 20, 2009
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  13. djoc175

    djoc175 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bull****!!How did Haye make unreasonable demands???Wlad made ****ed up clauses like 2 rematches and Haye having to vacate the belts.Did you not know this??
     
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  14. THE BLADE

    THE BLADE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, I am serious.

    But it is irrelevant as Wlad already offered Haye a shot but Haye does not seem to make reasonable demands during negotiations. So , Wlad will now face somebody who does does not overprice himself.
     
    THE BLADE, Feb 20, 2009
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  15. THE BLADE

    THE BLADE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Haye already did elect to face a total bum in barett and not Rahman or Toney. Now, it seems to be the same thing Wlad. How does this look to the objective fans in your opinion?
     
    THE BLADE, Feb 20, 2009
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