Haye is more like Brewster, Sanders than Wlad is like Thompson, Fragomeni or Mormeck

Haye has never fought anybody like Wlad though. You couldn't compare Wlad to anybody on Haye's resume.

 

Not at all.

I said the fighters he struggles with, and the ones he doesn't.

As far as I'm concerned Wlad is not similar to Gurov and Enzo Maccarinelli, there is no comparison to be made.

 

Disagree. There is nothing to say Haye is a better fighter than Brewster or Sanders, or Chris Byrd at HEAVYWEIGHT. Nothing at all. He's beaten Monte Barrett, all these guys get the better of Monte Barrett. Anybody worth **** gets the better of Monte Barrett.

 

Surely you've seen enough of Haye at CW to see that he is a far superior BOXER than Sanders or Brewster not to mention his speed, reflexes, power and hunger. I agree with the original post and Haye has said himself that Wlad is "tailor made for me". Not entirely convinced at that but I see this being a very tough fight for Wlad

 

What he did at cruiserweight means nothing. There is a reason why very few cruiserweights have become heavyweight champions.

He might be a good fighter but there is no indication he is tough enough at heavyweight, or that he punches harder than Sanders or Brewster.

He's a good cruiserweight that has a softish chin. That's what he is right now because thats all he's shown. Until he beats a good heavy he'll remain so.

 

It makes sense but like TFFP said, Haye hasn't fought anyone like Wlad

Wlad could be total kryptonite for Haye

That jab is all encompassing, Wlad might just keep him on the end of it until Haye tires, and then stop him on his feet

Wlad has shown he can get up from KD's, he's almost learned to deal with it, and he'll be adept at tying Haye up and slowing things right down if Haye does have any success

It's a fascinating fight but a tough one for Haye to win unless he has really thought about his tactics and executes them well

Very real chance he'll get overwhelmed and simply be too small

 

Style why I can see why Haye could say Wlad will suit him

A upright European Robot

Maccarenelli was upright

Gurov was upright - that video that someone posted of Haye KO him in the first round - etc - I remeber i watched that fight live

and of course the Maccarenelli fight

Maccarenelli was always going to be nailed by them right hands he is a upright straight forward European style fighter

against mark hobson - he was getting nailed by right hands

however Haye has got to get past that Jab of Wladimir

Dr Steel Hammer

Enzo's jab wasnt even landing against Haye

this is the most daunting physically imposing fighter Haye has faced

just in terms of physical size standing next to each other - this is a mismatch

Wlad is way too imposing

of course its not just about size

and a haye bomb could qucikly cut down Wlad to size

but how the hell is Haye gonna get past that jab and reach

he could barely reach Monte Barret until he tired

 

Good points Flint. That is the only (extremely loose) comparison to be made between Wladimir, Enzo and Gurov. They are all European, they are all white, and they are all upright. The difference is the latter two are half the size and stand there waiting, and Wlad is more of a mover and constantly pumps out the jab which is the major obstacle for Haye.

It's quite a different task he's facing because he can't stand there waiting for an opening like he did against Enzo and Gurov because it won't be there. Wlad has the physical advantages rather than Haye as he's used to, and he's smart and too good defensively for that. Haye is the one that is going to have to come up with something different from 'Plan A' I reckon. I just can't see his usual routine of standing out of range, loose limbed with his hands down, waiting for that opportunity to pounce working.

He's talking about trying to be Tyson, showing some headmovement to get past the jab. We'll see how that works out for him.

 

and biggest crucial point of all

Wlad's motivation for the fight will make him win

His girlfriend - hayley - from TV show heroe's is going to be in the crowd

Promised big Wlad she will ride him real good that night if he KO's Haye.............

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I can see that heavy jab making Haye look sloppy

If Haye gets cut

"pizza face"

then he is in double trouble

he wont be able to even see that massive powerful jab coming

Haye gets knocked down in this fight for sure

 

She'll be hoping for an early night then, save his energy for more 'crucial' matters. Haye may oblige.

It interested me how Haye's been talking tactically about this fight. He's been coming up with some new theories on how he's going to fight, which to me is enlightening. It suggests he knows he's got to do something different from usual to escape Wlad's jab. All that talk that it was going to be "one of my easiest fights" was a bluff I reckon.

 

Haye's biggest win most impressive victory was Mormeck

how much of a step up is it from Mormeck to Wlad

because remeber early on

Mormeck was winning and looked at one stage he was going to stop Haye

I thought Mormeck was going to win that fight at the time

then he did KO Mormeck

blasted out Maccarenelli

and ever since the hype around Haye has grown

but

Has he ever proved he can live with a Klitshko?