Haye is not even a real champion. He did not beat Valuev.

To be honest I remember watching it live and being slightly worried, I thought Haye had won but with the fight being in Germany may have somehow swung it Valuev's way.

I wasn't shocked he won though, I was more shocked Jim Watt was basically losing his breath talking about how he didn't think Haye had done enough and scoring the bout for SNV.

Basically I disagree. Haye won the fight in my eyes, I cannot for the life of me even remember any meaningful punches landed by Valuev when looking back on it, which is terrible given his physical advantages.

 

Haye is not the real champion because Chagaev beat Valuev and Wladimir Klitschko beat Chagaev. Haye's title was gifted to him by governing body politics. Klitschko will take back from Haye what should have been his on July 2.

 

The main reason you get vague generalities is because of your constant referalls to a **** boring fight that no one really cares about. Yet you seem to mention it in pretty much every post you make.

There are hundreds of more controversial decisions in far more entertaining fights, yet you dwell on one from possibly the most boring fight of the decade, simply because you hate one of the participants. It's tedious.

I didn't score the fight at time and there's no way i'm revisiting the heap of **** to do it now. I've just about erased it from my memory as it is.

 

Let me say it was one of the SHITTEST heavyweight title fights I've seen. And I actually didn't think Haye won at first, but after re-watching Haye probably edged it. Garbage fight though.

 

Plus Valuev has ducked both Klitschkos because he knows he would be beaten to a bloody pulp, so he took on Haye instead, who ran around the ring avoiding a fight.

 

its always going to be a dull fight when you watch Valuev fight your normal Heavyweight, simply because of the size, your normal Heavyweight is going to have to tailor a fight plan that can win him the fight, and based on the Size of Valuev its not like he is going to be knocked out easily.. a klitschko could stop him cus they have a bit more size behind them but these smaller guys have to box smart.

Then you have Valuev who apparently doesnt know how to cut off the ring and doesnt have a clue what to do when being out boxed, making for a slow paced boring match through all 12...

No matter what a fighter like Adamek, or Haye or even Evander who basicly layed out the blue print for Haye... those type of fighters can only do so much in there with a man almost twice their size.... so I dont blame them, but I do blame Valuev for not fighting back as if he wanted to keep his title.

 

Size disparity does not necessarily make this happen though. Compare what Adamek did with Grant. He won every round by being active, throwing combinations and having effective movement that facilitates fighting with such a larger man. Yes, he made mistakes here and there but that's because he was willing to take risks and not marathon around the ring like a *****. Sure, Grant wasn't as highly ranked as Valuev, but Grant is a much more powerful puncher and so represents a bigger risk especially for a smaller guy. Let's just say Haye's best performance to date as a HW is clearly against a 38 year old Ruiz. He dominated that fight from start to finish. Other than that, he been below average and very inactive.

 

Even using Grant you still are very short, lets be real Valuev is 7'2 thats 8 inches taller than Grant, then the man is 330 pounds, thats a 80 pound weight difference, in other words its not the same when your throwing shots at a ****ing sasquatch...

 

If we're talking "real champion" then there hasn't been one since lewis and likely won't be one until vitali stops hogging the number 2 spot.

Since lewis retired number 1 ranked fighter was vitali and number 2 was byrd. Didn't fight.

The next number 1 was wlad. Number 2 has been rahman, maskaev, peter and vitali. Wlad has fought none during this time.

Calling this a title fight is laughable. It's a fight between 2 of the top 3 contenders yes, but in this unique era the top 2 haven't fought since lewis retired.

 

Nobody would have complained how ever the fight ended up, it was an utterly **** fight, a real heavy blow for the sport, a truly dark day in the history of the pugilist game. Tbh I really don't want to think about it anymore let alone watch that turgid shite again. Besides none of this matters, Chagaev was the legitimate champ, so in a way Wlad is now taking on Haye in July in what can only be seen as a mandatory defence of his WBA strap, at least this is how I expect the thinking man pugilist fans will look at it.

 

You cant win **** if you cant even land on the other man, go watch a different sport

 

actually if you want a acounting of what took place when lewis retired, go to my first post in this thread.... Vitali clearly was given a hand out.

 

Nah, Grant is maybe 3" shorter than Valuev. More importantly, Grant has a longer reach than Sasquatch (Grant has the biggest wing span in boxing) and most importantly punches much harder.

 

I doubt Michael hits much harder, he just throws more shots, and as far as size, there is a big difference, Not sure about the **** your pulling from Box rec, but the fights when you watch them Valuev is listed on TV during the tale of the tape at 7'2. but there is a huge weight difference to again like I said Valuev is huge in comparison.