Haye is not even a real champion. He did not beat Valuev.

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  1. sixpack

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    :lol:
     
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  2. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Valuev doesn't punch his weight, Grant definitely does. Its not even close. Again, Grant has the bigger reach too, somewhat negating the height difference.
     
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  3. Bazooka

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    Sorry but I clearly disagree with you regarding size, Grant does have better pop on his shots I agree, but you either completley refuse to see where I am comming from or are attempting to create a side arguement, that suits what your trying to argue, honestly I have wasted plenty of time here discussing it with you because your clearly on a different sheet of music.

    Valuev sux, Period~
     
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  4. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, I think you were much better off supporting Margacheato.
     
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  5. Bazooka

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    Translation: I think your much better off talking about real fighters...:good
     
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  6. rorik_bender

    rorik_bender Bellhop. Full Member

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    Valuev was not even a champion. Actually Wlad beat a champion for that belt. So Haye is only helps Wlad to carry his belt around.
     
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  7. jacklondon

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    I agree. Valuev wasn't an authentic champion either. Chagaev beat him, and then Dr. W. Klitschko beat Chagaev.





    This is an excellent response to this same thread subject from another boxing forum, so I'm re-posting it here:




    Yes, Haye's championship is disputed at best. But a better argument exists with regard to Ruslan Chagaev- Nikolay Valuev rematch.

    Ruslan Chagaev beat Nikolay Valuev in 2007 for the WBA Title, then Chagaev made a successful defence against Skelton. At this point, Ruslan Chagaev was WBA Champion.

    In 2009, Chagaev was ordered to defend his WBA title against his madatory #1 contender, Nikolay Valuev. This rematch was ordered by the WBA because Valuev had become the madatory challenger.

    Chagaev failed a medical test before the fight, showing Hepatits B in his bloodstream. Chagaev was then (perhaps wrongly) stripped of his WBA title and Valuev was declared WBA champion.

    Of course, Valuev then went on to lose the belt in the ring to David Haye by decision. Interestingly, Chagaev went on to get KO'd by Wladimir Klitschko. Thus, 2 points can be made:

    - Haye is only a "champion" because the WBA wrongly and incorrectly stripped Chagaev for failing a medical test and awarding the belt to Valuev. In this way Haye is something a paper champion.

    - The Lineal WBA champion is in fact Wladimir Klitschko, because he beat Chagaev, and Chagaev never lost the belt in the ring to Valuev.


    - BoxingFanUK
     
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  8. RonnieHornschuh

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    Look what Chagaev has in his hands:

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  9. iceman71

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  10. Bubby

    Bubby Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But not for long.:hey
     
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  11. Predator

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    Valuev won the fight without landing a proper punch?:lol::rofl:patsch
     
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  12. jacklondon

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    And so he did, but how many "proper punches" has he ever landed? And you don't take a belt away by running away all night long.
     
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  13. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A chin checker and a Haye nut hugger? You cannot pick a worst combination than that.
     
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  14. rushman

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    I don't like Haye much. I used to be a fan when he was a cruiser, but he has spent the last couple of years being a total ****. All his fans are ****s too, which doesn't help.

    But I have no real problem with giving him the fight with Valuev. It was one of the worst fights in the history of the division, and Haye should be embarrassed by it. If he wasn't such a **** then he probably would be.

    But saying that he edged the win is fair enough.
     
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  15. theboy_racer

    theboy_racer Boxing Junkie banned

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    He'll be a real champion once he ends the reign of Boredom in July.. with a lot of faces being shut tight on here!
     
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