Haye: Like Him or Loathe Him, He Deserves Respect

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by JimiRB, Jun 17, 2011.


  1. JimiRB

    JimiRB Member Full Member

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    I can't remember a fighter in recent memory who tends to polarize opinion as much as David Haye. Whilst he can be cocky and his pre-fight antics push the boundaries of good taste, I cannot understand disrespect towards someone who is prepared to fight abroad to win a title at a higher weight class in the champion's back yard (this will be the second time he has fought for a title at HW in the belt-holder's country). This is in addition to the Mormeck fight where he unified the CW division on foreign soil.

    He is constantly prepared to make concessions (in addition to his lack of natural size) to get fights made, a trait which is in stark contrast to the Floyd Mayweather's and Wladimir Klitschko's who are so reverred, yet do nothing to indicate they are prepared to come out of their comfort zone. He targets the best fighters and (with the clear exception of Harrison!) is always looking for a career-defining fight as opposed to an easy payday.

    His basic fighting style is exciting, with blurring speed and very heavy hands. He has a very impressive KO ratio and whilst he is not as technically sound as a Mayweather or Hopkins, his tactical discipline is nowhere near as flawed as everyone makes out. He IS chinny, but this vulnerability makes his fights intriguing, as opposed to the standard HW fare where we simply watch WK/VK jab a walking space hopper around the ring for 12 rounds.

    I can understand why some people take exception to Haye the man. However he does back up what he says and unlike some, he is prepared to put pen-to-paper to fight those he trash-talks. As a fighter he does not just sit back and demand the accolades without going into the ring to prove it. The guy deserves respect and throughout his career he has shown many virtues and attributes which define being a professional fighter, and win or lose 2 July, he can look back on a very good career with pride.
     
  2. Zhaakal

    Zhaakal Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mayweather

    :?:think
     
  3. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes I agree, the last time he earned respect in the ring was when he fought Mormeck.

    That was what like 4 years ago? Since then he talked a lot but did very little. Certainly not enough to warrant the amount of trash talking and crowning himself the savior of the HW division.

    Ever since Haye moved to the HW division Haye overpromised and underdelivered on those promises. And guess what: Should he lose vs. Wlad he'll simply retire on his paycheck. Doesn't sound like the warrior and risk-taker he tries to make himself out to be.
     
  4. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The guy in your avatar was pretty good at it in his day.
     
  5. JimiRB

    JimiRB Member Full Member

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    Perhaps. Although I would draw a distinction as people tend to judge Haye the fighter negatively. The point of the thread is that whilst Haye the man can be objectionable, his attitude as a fighter deserves acknowledgement and people have overlooked this and simply "hated" on him because of how he conducts himself personally.

    This is in contrast to Floyd who is held in the highest esteem as a fighter whilst avoiding significant risks.

    The hate for Haye "the fighter" seems to be very extreme and without reasonable basis.
     
  6. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    He's not quite the no-nonsense, brave fighter you make him out to be. Yes, those things you mention were good, but they were like 4 years ago! Despite being a fan of him back then, I have to admit that the cruiserweight division in which he ruled in, was pretty weak. And him going on foreign soil to grab titles, were done so because he had no choice but to go there. He wasn't a high-profiled fighter until he began barking up the Klitschko tree, and as expected in a fighter, it was a must for him to give up a few advantages. It's not like he chose to do it.

    The hate generated towards him, is for his antics since joining the HW scene. Which, let's be honest, he's done **** all in (compared to the noise he made). He promised to breathe life in the HW division by knocking both the Klitschko brothers out, but after almost 3 years of delaying those promises, he's only going to fight one of them and retire straight after....whilst being in his peak!!

    And you want us to respect him as a fighter?
     
  7. Goodhill

    Goodhill Iron Horse - born to lose Full Member

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    Good post with real arguments.

    I still wonder why you see this hate against Haye so absurd and un-called for.

    IMO that has been Haye´s intentional strategy - the constant thrash-talk with verbal low-blows.

    It has gotten him to this fight, that has probably created more money to this fight than in any HW fight in a long, long time and now this arrogant, cocky attitude and public disrespecting Klitschkos has also gotten under Wlad´s skin.

    What comes to his boxing abilities, even Wlad admits he respects them.

    This is all good - the hate, the tension, the electricity surronding the fight. Pick your favorite and root for him with all your heart - this is boxing at it´s best - fight entertainment!
     
  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    If you can literally hate him after seeing his baby picture, you really have to ask yourself if you've become too much of a hardass.

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    Look at that jolly little ****er. Come on.
     
  9. Lamp1n

    Lamp1n Active Member Full Member

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    Who will you be cheering for on 2nd July Rico??

    I am a haye fan, but during this build up Wlad has come across so much better, i would like ot see haye do it on a purley patrionic basis, but like ive said to my friends, hayes getting knocked out in hamburg.
     
  10. Think

    Think The Sport Of Kings Full Member

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    No, that isn't David's Baby, that IS DAVID WHEN HE WAS A BABY.

    Also, how can you wish for a man to be wheel chair bound through the sport of boxing?

    Do some research and look how ****ed up that sort of thinking is.
     
  11. JimiRB

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    Fair point Uncle Rico, but you can only rule the division you're in with the fighters put in front of you at that time. David himself has been sensible (and unbelievably!) modest enough to admit he will never be an ATG because the opponents just aren't there for him. Whether or not he would have been a champion in bygone eras is a matter for debate. I admire him more than a Floyd Mayweather, who despite being a supreme boxer, has ducked pretty much every significant threat to his crown in his division.

    I appreciate that Haye could have been more active than he has been. However, before he became WBA Champion, the contract he was offered by the Brothers was incredibly restrictive and onerous. He would have been fighting for next-to-no money with a multi-rematch clause tied in. The WBA belt has been his bit of leverage and he only won that in late 2009. Even then, Wladimir is a notoriously difficult negotiator and I honestly believe that he deserves a notable share of the blame for this fight taking so long to make.

    And as for retiring, this has always been his plan. Just look at Roy Jones Jr- as perfect cautionary tale for fighting on too long as you will ever see. If Haye beats Wladimir, he will have nothing left to prove. The only worthwhile fight out there for him would be Vitali, a fiight David has not discounted, although it looks unlikely given the timing.
     
  12. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Haye boxing strengths are obvious to unquestioned by anyone who has followed boxing for longer than a month.

    What has been questioned is the quality of his HW opposition as well as his inability to back up his trash talk over the last three years. Add to this his ridiculous plan to retire after the Wlad bout and you have a cocktail that doesn't make Haye a likely "savior of the HW division".
     
  13. JimiRB

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    No, he may not be the saviour long-term. However, he is solely responsible for generating public interest in a division which has alienated itself from all but the most ardent boxing fanatics.

    I do feel that even if he beats Wladimir it won't solve the problem facing the Heavweights, which is where will the new guy come from? Haye is not going to create a new era if he retires and vacates the belts straight away, and there seems to be no-one in the division capable of generating a post-Haye renaissance after his retirement.

    However, should he beat Wladimir, it will release a stranglehold which is responsible for the degeneration of the world's greatest accolade into a boring non-event and perhaps bring enough inspiration to get youngsters interested in the division again. The fruits of that may have to wait another generation to be seen however.
     
  14. Uncle Rico

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    Dude, if you asked me this question 3/4 years ago.....it would be Haye till the end! But I've been put off by him since, and would prefer to see Wladimir win.

    And seriously, don't be underestimating Haye's chances here. Despite me not liking him that much, I still recognize his talents as a fighter, and I think he'll be surprising a lot of people on July 2nd. If I were a hardcore Wladimir fan, I'd be pretty nervous.
     
  15. Uncle Rico

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    Excellent points, my man. All which I acknowledge and understand.

    But in regards to his retirement plan, I know he's been adamant on this since the very beginning of his career, but I think it's a shame he's not willing to budge from it. I don't think he can be compared to Roy Jones because Roy actually went way beyond the point where his natural abilities declined. Haye is nowhere near that stage yet. For a heavyweight, he's young and at his peak. If he manages to get by Wladimir and Vitali, he's got more than enough in the tank to beat on other heavyweights for another 2/3 years, and build himself a very respectable legacy. As a fighter, this is what's expected from him. Getting the number one position shouldn't be the end, it should be the beginning. The beginning of defending your crown.

    That's just my personal opinion, though.