Haye: Like Him or Loathe Him, He Deserves Respect

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  1. Ceej1979

    Ceej1979 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You know, seriously, fans will argue that there's no correlation whatsoever in their decision to hate, abuse and mock:

    Ali
    Mayweather
    Haye
    Lebron
    Terrell Owens
    Randy Moss


    And guys like that for the last 40 years.

    The overriding truth is, the American media, and fans, tend to hate loud, cocky black athletes, and turn on them as soon as they are famous enough to get their attention
     
    Ceej1979, Jun 17, 2011
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  2. Ceej1979

    Ceej1979 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You guys seriously convince yourself that Haye and Mayweather are treated exactly the same way, by the media, and fans in the states, because of their records?
     
    Ceej1979, Jun 17, 2011
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  3. AnotherFan

    AnotherFan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not at all.

    Nobody like Money.
     
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  4. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I heard his mother is Polish. Looks quite Polish, that's for sure.
     
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  5. JimiRB

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    People hate Floyd Mayweather because he sells himself short by taking easier fights than he should do. The man is extraordinarily talented, and with his ability, and the talent in his division, no-one should be doubting his legacy or questioning his ability. But people are, because he isn't prepared to fight anyone he knows has a reasonable prospect of beating him or that would coerce him out of his comfort zone.

    Who knows whether Pacquiao would beat him? Who knows whether Cotto, Margarito or a younger Sugar Shane would have given him serious problems? The fact is those fights are or have been there for him and he has avoided them. People would put up with his arrogance and bravado if he delivered these fights. But he hasn't. And it's a waste of such a great talent that people are still questioning him.

    The distinction I drew is that Haye has thrown himself into the lion's den and actively sought fights where everything is against him. And that is why he deserves respect.
     
    JimiRB, Jun 17, 2011
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  6. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    True that. But it again comes to point about:

    I guess I'm disappointed at the fact that I had high hopes of seeing David enter the HW division. But after 3 years, he's not injected the life into it that I thought he would, and now he'll be disappearing before I know it.
     
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  7. JimiRB

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    Yeah I understand that Rico but unfortunately for Haye the only fight that could generate excitement is a Klitschko fight. Haye could have knocked out a legion of John Ruiz's and it wouldn't have changed the landscape.

    Politics and negotiation issues have meant that it has taken this long for the fight to be made and nothing Haye would have done in the interim would have changed the HW scene. Regardless of the outcome (I personally think Haye is going to take his head off) I think the division will remain stagnant for several years.

    America in particular needs to start producing quality HW talent. Hopefully this can be David Haye's legacy. Re-ignite interest in the division and get quality big youngsters looking at boxing as opposed to a career in the NFL.
     
    JimiRB, Jun 17, 2011
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  8. theboy_racer

    theboy_racer Boxing Junkie banned

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    Great post :good
     
    theboy_racer, Jun 17, 2011
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  9. steve w

    steve w Active Member Full Member

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    I wonder how much respect Carl "the cat" has for him ?
     
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  10. ludwig

    ludwig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't dislike Haye at all--I enjoy watching him fight (except against Fraudley).

    But you gotta admit since he's been a heavy he's been almost all talk nearly no action. Valuev was absolutely awful when he fought Haye....Wladimir has definitely beaten better fighters than that version of SNV. Ultimately, Haye has proven very little. If Haye intended to revive the heavyweight division then he would have fought the likes of Arreola, Chagaev, and Chisora by now. But getting in the ring with a non-shot heavyweight was too risky--that would have endangered Haye's massive multi-million dollar payday on July 2nd.
     
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  11. JimiRB

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    About the same amount Brewster and Sanders have for Wladimir. And the two lads who knocked out Pacquiao have for the Filipino. And Rahman does for Lennox.

    One swallow doesn't make a summer. Haye was immature, got too excited and punched himself out. He has subsequently shown he can stick to a disciplined gameplan for 12 rounds (Valuev) or alternatively maintain a decent pace over nine rounds to blast out one of the most durable men ever to step in a ring (Ruiz). The latter is the more impressive because Haye was under constant pressure, had little/no sparring and still didn't look like he was close to punching himself out.

    If Wlad is expecting the Thompson edition to turn up, he may as well not bother showing up himself.
     
    JimiRB, Jun 17, 2011
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  12. Greco

    Greco Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I respect Haye for climbing between those ropes and putting his life on the line for our entertainment. What's shown of him in the media makes me see him as an *******, but I bet he's a cool guy if you were to ever meet him without all the cameras around him.
     
    Greco, Jun 17, 2011
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  13. madballster

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    You forgot to add that Ruiz was one of the worst HW "champs" ever and was 38 years old, well past his prime.

    This victory for Haye is about as meaningless as Wlad pummeling a shot Ray Mercer or a paste prime Rahman to a bloody mess.
     
    madballster, Jun 17, 2011
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  14. Hellion

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    Here's an interview with Carl Thompson before the Harrison match.

    At about 2 mins in.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuMuxhHlSwE[/ame]
     
    Hellion, Jun 17, 2011
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  15. steve w

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    Oh, Wlad will turn up, regardless of David's impressive deadlifts!
     
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