Haye not again pleeeeeease. thread

most people in america.

 

Most people worldwide. Don't try and pretend the average man in the street knew who he was. You know that's not true.

 

I dont think its fair to score a drawn round unless its absolutely! necessary, as it eradicates potential rounds someone could of won. Like if I WANTED to make a case that a fighter won a particular fight, I could score two close rounds that he won, as drawn rounds, meaning I might have the other guy the winner.

I dont think the Champion enters the ring as the Champion, he has to earn the right to be a Champion again by defending his title, so I dont agree with that. Also, it creates to much conjecture when you have that philosophy, as not everyone will subscribe to it.

What I do is split the difference in swing rounds. Like if I have given a guy the benefit of the doubt in 2 close rounds that could of gone either way, it stands to reason I should consider giving the other guy the next close round, as a case can be made he might of won one of the other swing rounds. I mean if I give a guy 3 swing rounds in a row, I'm not giving the other guy the benefit of the doubt at all.

 

most people i knw knew him before the valuev fight.........thats most men, most women you talk to know **** all about boxing and about anything appart from reality tv in general......

most males of an adult age who are into sport were aware of haye.

 

You cant be being serious. :think

They knew him before he called out the Klitschko's and got all the press coverage?

Really?

 

You argued that he was only famous for slagging of the Klits. You're wrong, he was still practically unheard of to the general public in the lead up to the 1st Klit fight. It was the Valuev fight which made him very well known in Britain - then the Audley fight and then Wlad.

 

Agree that it made him a celebrity, obviously. I don't recall seeing Haye landing loads of shots, thought they mostly missed target from memory, landing on arms etc., but as I say it was some time ago, I only watched it the once and I don't have a card to refer to so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree - I remember feeling gutted afterwards until they read out the result.

 

By no means does the way I scored it make it fact, so if you have a different perception that's fine by me.

Personally I just tried to do my card on actual punches landed, and thought Haye won the fight, but using the criteria you subscribe to, I can plausibly see why you might of had it the way you did.

 

yep....you just dont wanna have it....look at you're avatar and you're name.........:hi:

 

The 2 fighters should be judged equally IMHO. The only advantage the champ gets is that he keeps his title in the event of a draw. Thats the only way a challenger needs to "take the title" from the champ.

 

He got the Valuev fight because Valuev knew of him because of the Wlad fight which he pulled out of.

If Haye didnt bash K2 in the press, and had to work for a title shot. He wouldnt have even got a shot at Val.

 

Agreed - for me, being 'famous' has to go beyond one special interest group. I had a lot of male friends who asked me who he was, was he any good etc. in the early Klitschko talks period. Valuev changed all that, it was a proper big event on tv, made the mainstream press sit up, got him mainstream tv interviews, lots on BBC breakfast tv, radio etc, complete gamechanger for him. Which, of course, was what he said it would do for him, give him a decent seat at the negotiating table with the Klitschkos.

He definitely knew what he was doing and made the most of the opportunity in the division.

 

Agree.

Great point the bolded Gaz.

I respect SimonTemplar's opinion, and if that is what he think's he's well within his rights to think that, but me personally, and I dont mean this offensively toward SimonTemplar, as he seems like a fair guy, but I think its for the dinosaurs that theory of scoring, that you have to "take the title", its the kind of thing that allows people to justify bum decisions like Froch's against Dirrell, which is not right imo.

 

he got the shot due to being the cw champ........moving up a division does carry some weight (no pun intended) to the new division you enter.......

haye got the fight with valuev cos he was the most marketable fighter.

and also got the shot due to being that the klits aside there was nobody else in the division that would get bums on seats.

 

To quote lilo-

You argued that he was only famous for slagging of the Klits. You're wrong, he was still practically unheard of to the general public in the lead up to the 1st Klit fight. It was the Valuev fight which made him very well known in Britain - then the Audley fight and then Wlad.

My name has nothing to do with Haye, it's the name of a guitar player in a band.