Haye only just beat Mormeck.........

He knew his limitations. I think it's terrible he had to take a knee at that point. Hate just isn't very tough IMO, mentally he is, and he's calculated in the ring (not always to his benefit) but his head is too small and I think he knows he can't hold a shot too well.

I think Barrett genuinely knocked him down with that glancing blow before he twitted him on the floor. Again, Haye showed great character. When he's in a spot of bother he'll fight his way back into it.

Seems nowadays he doesn't want to get in any bother in the ring, which makes him a painfully boring and sometimes amateurish fighter to watch in recent years. Against Ruiz he was so sloppy! He can't find a healthy balance in his style, because he isn't that good.

 

Or his trainer doesn't instil the technical discipline he needs to make the most of his attributes...

 

Probably haye most critically acclaimed win, whereas others were far more commercial and had media coverage-

If boxing was a tad bit organised and you perhaps up the cruiser limit to 205/208 or thereabouts, you could have some exciting fights.

 

This-

Chisora dosent throw his hips into it, very much an arm puncher.

Ah just noticed you were talking about Haye rather than Chisora.

 

It's a slight on Haye nonetheless :yep

a. Doesn't recognise it b. Does but doesn't want to change up and do anything about it.

 

Oh, I agree - Haye's fallen in love with his power and forgotten the things he used to use to deliver it.

 

I think it was the smart thing to do in an effort to regain composure. He slipped a right, and then literally slipped - and in a split second of misjudgement he instinctively decided to use the ropes to steady himself leaving himself completely open, shipping a right hook flush on the chin. He wasn't that hurt from that single shot, but he might've been by the follow up(s) had he not taken a knee.

 

I actually think he's fallen in love with his 'slick' boxing style, which he thinks allows him to surprise with infrequent punching. But yeah, doesn't throw much, to stay out of danger, and maybe also feels he doesnt need to work aggressively counter punch anymore...he just throws the odd counter and the jab to the body.

Seems he's doing an amalgam of Jones and Floyd. But badly.

 

To be honest Haye has always been pretty calculated as a fighter. Never been a super aggressive fighter offensively, always been cautious with defence even if he's been dragged into it a bit on a few notable occasions. Always loaded up on right hands a tad too often and neglected the jab. He's a bit of a Roy Jones wannabe if anything, just throwing heavyweight amounts (or less).

 

I think you've missed my point somewhat, or maybe you're just kinder when assessing fighters. It's late, laters.

 

I do give him a free pass purely due to the slip, which couldn't have been prevented. I am undoubtedly a lot more forgiving when it comes to Haye then most as well.

 

Haye & Booth dont have a normal trainer-boxer relationship, more like mates who work together than a teacher-pupil dynamic. Haye often ignores what Booth says, both in the corner between rounds & during training.

In response to the thread Haye didnt only just beat Mormeck imo. He never looked seriously hurt & the KD was due to a slip in the corner.

 

Haye and Booth had this punch count at end of each round at one point in his career, I think even in the Mormeck fight. They'd have a set number of punches they'd want to use in each round. Haye's ragged technically, his footwork is very exaggerated and his punches often leave him out of position, normally squared up. In saying that his attitude is do or die. He throws his body into his shots and if they land they hurt and if he misses he knows he has to dip and slide away or face consequences.

I think Haye's got better defensively even against Wlad he showed some good defensive skills as well as his chin being decent enough to take Wlad's shots. I think that surprised Booth who had conditioned Haye to believe he couldn't risk taking a good shot off a heavyweight. I had a brief look back at that fight from last year and if he didn't talk the talk i think people wouldn't moan as much. It wasn't a terrible display from my POV. He just couldn't get off offensively enough to make it work. I've seen far more negative displays, growing up watching Matthew Barney ..

 

The display wasn't that bad but, but all the big fight boxing 'fans' expected him to win and when he didn't everyone turned on him due to his excuses.