Haye or Holyfield - Who did better against Valuev?

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  1. v2k987

    v2k987 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Now this is not a David Haye hate thread... i happen to think he did what he needed to do considering various factors such as size difference, the fact that it was only his third fight at a new weight - perhaps even ring rust!!!

    However, i happen to believe that Holyfield fought a better fight. He had better ring generalship in that he controlled the distance rather than running away, and he put more effective combinations together. I think from a technical point of view Holyfield is one of the greatest of all time and i dont think it's right that people label him 'shot to s**t' when in fact i thought he beat this man mountain more convincingly.

    Any opinions and discussion are welcome... keep the hate to a minimum please!!
     
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  2. Boxfan1

    Boxfan1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Real Deal actually fought the Beast. That other guy just ran.
     
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  3. Boxfan1

    Boxfan1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why doesn't Haye fight Evander next? It would be a much more entertaining fight than a fight with Ruiz.
     
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  4. v2k987

    v2k987 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield does well with power punchers that throw one two combinations.... for instance the Tyson fights. I give a very old version of holyfield a good chance against Haye
     
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  5. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    Holyfield actually deserved to win the decision. Haye didn't.
     
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  6. pngo

    pngo #1Contender Full Member

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    Holyfield for me, he did the same as Haye but landed more shots.

    But it was another boring fight.
     
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  7. v2k987

    v2k987 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People voting for Haye, please do explain!!
     
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  8. pngo

    pngo #1Contender Full Member

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    I bet most haven't even watched the fight.
     
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  9. SirKillalot

    SirKillalot Boxing-FAN Full Member

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    Holyfield landed more, Haye landed more accurate
    Holyfield stood better, but Haye kept away and didn't get hit.

    The two fights was pretty similar. But I believe Holyfield won more rounds.
     
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  10. essexboy

    essexboy The Cat Full Member

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    Holyfield. But both deserved to win.
     
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  11. Leif Erikson

    Leif Erikson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Haye was better defensively and landed much harder shots. Holyfield was caught more by Valuev but landed more of his pitter-patter shots than Haye did his solid blows. It really depends on what you're looking for. Valuev was less awful against Haye but they both deserved the decision against him.

    Ringsiders apparently had it far clearer in general for Haye than they did Holyfield though. I attribute this to the greater impact of Haye's shots and the fact that it was easier for them to see just how clearly Valuev was missing with the fast majority of his punches.
     
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  12. v2k987

    v2k987 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You raise a good point about it being clearer to see Valuev missing against Haye... thank you
     
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  13. mufasa

    mufasa New Member Full Member

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    Haye landed fewer punches, but he landed them cleaner and harder. He did better defensively too. I voted Haye.
     
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  14. cubex

    cubex Boxing Addict banned

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    Both about the same.

    Thought Evander won the rounds a bit wider but he never hurt him as bad as Haye did.
     
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  15. ramalinga

    ramalinga Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Difficult to say, Holyfield looked good in the first six rounds but he also was pinned agains the ropes twice late in the fight and didn't land much in the entire second half. Holyfield gave all he had to offer, Haye held back a lot and that can blur things in favor of Holyfield. Holyfield also got a lot of sentimental credit because of his age and because it was his first good performance in a very long time, whereas Haye promised excitement and a knockout and failed to deliver any of that.

    I would say that Chagaev and Larry Donald looked better against Valuev than Haye or Holyfield.
     
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