Haye or Ruiz ... better title holder?

Haye, easily. Whatever his flaws (glass chin, for one), at least he fights WITHIN the rules and doesn't hold excessively or fake low blows!

 

Neither one is remembered as a real heavyweight champion.

Check out the list of WBA HW title holders after Holyfield and Lennox:

http://boxrec.com/title_search.php?title=WBA&division=Heavyweight&SUBMIT=Go

 

Both are dreadful. But Ruiz genuinely tried to take on the best.

So he gets the nod.

 

Ah ****..voted for David by mistake!

Seriously, here are these men's title defenses..

John Ruiz:

Andrew Golota Ring #6 -Coming off a convincing draw against Byrd
Fres Oquendo Ring #7 -Coming off impressive losing performances against Byrd and Tua
Kirk Johnson Ring #5 -Coming off a destruction of top 5 Oleg
Evander Holyfiled Ring#4 draw -Trilogy is sandwhiched inbetween good performances against Lewis and Rahman.

Rahman Ring #4-Could argue for including him in there after Toney/Ruiz ruled no contest.

David Haye:

Audley Harrison (unranked by Ring) Coming off a come behind win against unranked Sprott.
John Ruiz (unranked by Ring) Coming off dreadful winning performance against unranked McCline


In terms of pure achievement, Ruiz by a ****ing mile at this point.

 

Well, it's easy to take fights when you have Don King greasing the wheels, getting Ruiz gift decisions and favorable treatment from officials for his illegal tactics.

Without the cheating, Ruiz would never have won fights against anybody above the journeyman level.

 

Ruiz for no reason other than his trainer being criminally insane.

 

Did Don King throw this Right Hand?

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Anybody votiing for David..minus me..should be ashamed.

 

RUIZ/GOLOTA WAR!!!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha6i5haqLyI[/ame]

Seriously, regardless who you felt should have won..pretty fun competitive fight.

Better than this ****...Audley "No Show" Harrison


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzs3as8RhaA[/ame]

 

Seriously, these two fighters could not be more opposite.

Ruiz; The quietman. Haye; the obnoxious loudmouth.
Ruiz; straight jabs, then comes in close and holds. Haye; looping punches from outside, when inside, rabbit punches.
Ruiz; unfairly and widely hated. Haye; worshipped by his ridiculous fans.
Ruiz; took on the best challenges. Haye; runs from the best challenges.
Ruiz; underappreciated resume. Haye; fans wildly overstate his accomplishments.
Ruiz; a decent human being. Haye; shitbag.

 

Ruiz and BigRagu are strikingly similar looking..

 

Out of curiosity, What are your thoughts on Wlad Klitschkos excessive holding? Obviously he's more talented then Ruiz, but he uses the same defense based entirely on holding. To answer the original question Haye is the better fighter, but Ruiz seemed to take on better challengers.

 

Ruiz and its not even close.


Haye lost to Valuev and has fought no-one.

 

This is a poll with an agenda, methinks.

Ruiz by far and I think he was quite underrated because people didn't like the way he fought. He beat some fairly good opposition and fought pretty much everyone bar Klitschko. If he was that bad he'd have come a cropper far more often than he did. Haye has done a lot in such a small number of fights but looking at both men's career at heavyweight, it isn't really close. As belt holders though we have to remember that Haye has twice travelled away from home to win titles.