Haye = PFP Tallent while WLAD Klitschko is a GOOD Big Man."RUDYARD SPECIAL"

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  1. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Here is why...

    Klitschko is a guy who fights one way. He uses his height, keeps his opponents at a distance with his jab, and only fights backwards unless he has his opponent seriously hurt or in the case of Ray Austin for instance, completely outlclasses his opposition.

    Against Tony Thompson, a guy with similiar attributes physically and with his fighting style, the fight was at least somewhat competitive until Klitschko's strength, conditioning, and experience was enough to chop down an even more tenative opponent in Thompson.

    Against Peter, Peter's toughness and ability to take punches was enough to close the distance a few times during the fight and give Klitschko trouble, but in the end was outboxed due to a combination of Peter's lack of ability and Klitschko's skill, strength and conditioning.

    Ibriganov was a guy who had boxing skills, but no heart and no will to do more than just stay outside of Klitschko's punches and survive in one of the most boring fights in history, which can also be attributed to Klitschko's lack of offensive versatility, (uppercuts), and his own reluctance to get hit.

    McCline is a guy who has limited boxing ability, and Rahman is another ordinary fighter who Klitschko was able to contain with his reach and overall physical prowess, coupled with his opponents lack of skills and ability.

    With that said, we have never seen Klitschko in with a man who also fought like a big man, but dwarfed him in size and reach, but was also not tenative nor afraid of his power.

    Valuev is that man.

    Klitschko is a fighter who's defense is to block punches or to step back and away or using lateral movement. Currently there may be no video evidence of Klitschko ever bending at the waist to avoid a jab.

    People have said that Klitschko could easily beat Valuev by using lateral movement. If this is true, then perhaps Haye or the best mover in the division, could beat Valuev by merely moving away rather than ducking and moving.

    However those who saw the fight know that this would be next to impossible, so Klitschko's lateral movement will not be sufficient to keep him from getting hit.

    Klitschko also has never had to fight like a smaller man. Haye has. Haye fought exceptionally in his fight with Valuev, using angles and movement to offset the giants attacks.

    Klitschko is unexperienced in this regard and we can only speculate on how he might fight Valuev and utilize these skills if he has them, (although no video evidence exists that proves he does), while we KNOW exactly what Valuev will do which is walk him down and box exactly like Klitschko does, (with predominatly one-twos) with a longer reach.

    The fact is, Klitschko will be hit. And while Valuev is not a huge puncher, Klitschko will find it difficult to land with great frequency given the fact that Klitschko does not have to regularly throw overhand rights, nor does he, and his offense is limited to a 1-2 which can be nulified by Valuev's reach and ability to take punches.

    Combine this with Klitschko's inexperience and lack of chin, this is bad news, especially considering Klitschko doesn't ever have to move his head to avoid a jab.

    Haye on the other hand proves that he can deal with both big and small men and is a multi dimensional fighter. And while this does not necessarily mean that Haye will beat Klitschko, (although I believe he will), it does mean that he is a pfp fighter while Klitschko is merely a good big man until he proves otherwise.

    And while I should say Klitschko is an exceptionally skilled big man, I cannot say that considering he doesn't have the offensive versatility nor the strength of opposition of a guy like Tommy Hearns for instance who was a GREAT BIG MAN.

    What up now Rudyard?
     
  2. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    NOTE: THIS IS REGARDING WLAD.

    Vitali is a VERY SKILLED big man.
     
  3. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good post. I too have doubts as to weather Wlad handle can being the smaller man.
     
  4. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wlad will box circles around Valuev and Wlad would knock Valuev out.
     
  5. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is very possible. Wlad has the greater skill; but you have to agree that it would require a huge adjustment on his typical fight game. Can he make that adjustment? He would not be able to jab and grab. Which is the bulk of his style. He would have to duck and dodge, something he never does or had to do. He gets a bit flustered when little guys rush him...can he stay composed with a 320 lb mastodon in front of him?
     
  6. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Wlad also has shown limited inside fighting ability. Something that guys like Chagaev and Holyfield used against Valuev.

    Klitschko's idea of inside fighting is clinching where Valuev will undoubtably be the stronger man.
     
  7. UndisputedUK

    UndisputedUK Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vit and Wlad would punish Haye. WBA champ he may be, but nothing changes. He won't cut it at the top level. Ruiz, Valuev yes, anyone dangerous, no chance.
     
  8. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    You need to learn to look at things more objectively.
     
  9. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Haye never fought either Klitschko. He backed out both times.
     
  10. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Typo.

    Valuev is what I meant.
     
  11. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Dude, I like Haye and all but you are getting way ahead of yourself. He's got 3 wins at HW. Barrett, Valuev and Bonin. I don't see Valuev beating Wlad. And Haye did alright vs Valuev, he could have done more. It wasn't exceptional in my opinion. Of course he's gonna look extremely fast, Valuev is a slug.
     
  12. M.Alexander

    M.Alexander Tough Mofo Full Member

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    Klitschko KTFO Haye and that is what counts. Period

    Haye had trouble to land on Valuev. He will have more trouble to land flush on Wlad who is a master in not get hit.

    Believe me Haye is getting hit before Klitschko is getting hit. Result--->Haye laying on the canvas.
     
  13. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Wlad's method of defense is to take a step back and his hand is always in front of his face.

    How will this guy adjust his defense to Haye's speed, boxing ability, and explosive hooks and right hands?

    I think he KO's Wlad as soon as he has him in trouble.

    Which will happen with a huge left hook or a counter right hand after Haye slips the jab.

    What do you see in Klitschko's defense that can handle someone like Haye? It's never been tested like that before.

    It looks great against tenative opponents with similar styles, too small guys, and guys who only throw straight punches.
     
  14. CHEF

    CHEF Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    more of this ****. Just like the thread you made that said "Wlad could not beat Valuev". I understand you like Haye. but your constant negative spin on Wlad to try and make Haye look good is sad and pathedic
     
  15. am0kgonzo

    am0kgonzo Active Member Full Member

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    W.K. would **** Valuev up, anything else is just delusional thinking.