Haye = PFP Tallent while WLAD Klitschko is a GOOD Big Man."RUDYARD SPECIAL"

I don't have any emotional attachment with Haye. I'm just looking at this objectively. I tried yesterday to make people understand my point, but I was treated with ignorance despite making valid points.

I am using Haye right now because it gets attention to this thread despite me not having any emotional attachment.

For all you know, perhaps I think Vitali beats Haye.

That may be the case; however, Haye beats Wlad, but even that is a moot point considering what I initially wrote doesn't even mention a fight between Haye and Wlad.

 

The horse before the cart says the hypocrite.

I never said Haye would beat all the past and present heavyweights.

Just Wlad...

So I'm assuming in your eyes that beating Wlad who you must view to be the greatest heavyweight of all times translates to beating all heavyweights in history.

Styles makes fights.

Let's keep emotions out of this.

 

That's right.

Wlad is very one dimensional, but due to the lack of competition at heavyweight and his overall size and strength, he continues to win fights.

But I'm not a Wlad hater nor a Klitschko hater.

In fact I think Vitali IS a pfp tallent.

 

I'm not just basing it on chins.

Wlad is a tenative fighter. He fights tenatively because if he's too aggressive, it will give his opposition a chance to get inside of his punches and and expose his chin.

He's great at fighting this way, but at times he's a bit too tenative, for instance like in his fight against Ibriganov.

And while Ibriganov is different than Haye in the sense that he's shorter and a southpaw, his movement is also not quite as good as Haye's, yet he was able to survive on the outside of Klitschko's punches by deciding to not engage at all for pretty much the entire duration of the fight.

What this means to me is that Haye can use a somewhat simliar strategy by staying on the outside with his great mobilty and slick defensive moves, and pick his moment to attack or counter Klitschko.

Given that Klitschko does not fight well under pressure, doesn't appear to be an effective inside fighter, and has a suspect chin, anyone of Haye's very fast and explosive punches will be able to do enough to throw Wladimir off his game and possibly knock him down.

This is especially true given that Wlad has an incomplete defense. Basically meaning that instead of rolling his shoulder or bending at the waist or even putting both of his hands up, he generally steps back and out of the way.

Against Haye who is tall and explosive, with an aresnal of hooks and overhand rights that can slip past Klitschko's striaght punch oriented guard, he will be an incredibly dangerous opponent.

And while Klitschko can knock out Haye who's chin is also suspect, if he does win it will more than likely be from attrition by neutralizing Haye with his jab.

I don't think his jab is enough though because Haye is good enough and explosive enough and more than likely determined enough to counter Klitschko's jab which will make him hesitant to throw it given his past performances under pressure and his suspect chin.

If this is the case Haye will sense his weakness and capitalize by eventually hitting Klitschko with a hard shot and then finishing him off.

I say Haye by TKO or maybe even KO.

 

Vitali has a deeper resume than Wlad just with the fact that he fought Lennox and he also has a more versatile offense and I've seen adjustments in his defense that Wlad doesn't do.

Vitali would never get knocked out by a guy like Corrie Sanders.

 

OH ****, maybe you with your great beer drinkin ability can school me on my boxin knowledge.

 

Logic really hurts when you get emotionally attached to a fighter or your prejudices reign against another one.

But I would like at least somebody to debate what I'm saying.

At least show me some video evidence of Wlad bending at the waist.

 

I agree.