Haye = PFP Tallent while WLAD Klitschko is a GOOD Big Man."RUDYARD SPECIAL"

I like how you make your arguments. But I honestly cant agree with you. I give you my reasons why I think he beat Valuev, purely because hes more talented and more powerfull, has better everything and if thats the case then usually the fighter wins. Its not like a good big fighter beats a small good fighter. In this case its a good small fighter beats a mediocre bigh fighter. Simple as that. You only want video evidence which Im not going to search for. Too much time.

 

Uppercuts - If you believe Vova doesn't have uppercuts you must have only watch 3 or 4 of his fights, i'm not even going to bother with this one.

Vova as smaller man - Being 5 years younger than Vitali, growing up sparring with him would have meant that he learned by fighting against a much larger opponent.

Amateur record 134 - 6. When posed this question about fighting a larger opponent (against Valuev) both Vova and Vitali have stated that they've both fought 7'0 opponents while in the amateurs.

- They also spar with Ustinov who is Vitali's size.

This statement again leads me to believe that you only recently started watching Volodymyr fight. Jefferson & Shufford fights, check them out genius.

Hmmmm an explosive power puncher with quick handspeed and a glass jaw, you mean like Jefferson?

Perhaps the valdity of your points isn't the issue but rather the arrogant, condescending air of superiority that emanates from many of your comments. A word of advice, people don't like assholes. Hence why alot of people will never be David Haye fans.

Not the first time that you've made this suggestion, won't be the last.

Ibragimov's footwork > Haye's footwork.

- Again you asserting that you're bereft of emotion. I'll address this later on.

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Here is a 20 yr old Vova fighting Lezin, a southpaw (who in 1994 beat Valuev incidentally) take note of how he avoids some of Lezin's shots by bending from the waist.

Now a couple things,
1) You keep reiterating the same points and even more obnoxious is how they are weak, false, or opinion that you state as fact.

2) Calling Haye a p4p fighter, christ. The whole size thing (him moving up, only being a CW) is ridiculous. He always could have fought HW. Boytsov, Povetkin, Chambers, Chagaev, Ibragimov all legit HW's that Haye is taller and naturally heavier than. He's the same size as Monte too may i add, so why all this unwarrented credit?

3) The majority of your points rest on your assumption that Vova hasn't experienced many of the tactics and strengths you point out at any time during his career. Along with your assumption that he is unable to
adapt his tactics and stratagy.

One of Vova's greatest assets is his experience. almost 150 Amateur fights at the highest level and 56 Pro fights. I'm not going to even bother with this, hopefully they'll fight and we'll see.

4) My favorite, despite your numerous and vehement claims that your motivation is not an emotional one i'd have to disagree. I am of the opinion that your driving force is Lust, as your passionate words glaze a thick coating of saliva on David Haye's ****, which you are riding.


I don't care what your response to this post of mine is, i'm apathetic towards you and your "amazing logic". Plus i'm just much to lazy to write another post this ****ing long.

P.S In regards to my opinion in #4. If you are ever thinking about possibly adding some body art to your skin to spruce up your appearance may i suggest.....

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go look at the KO punch against Thompson. Wlad threw his right while ducking under Thompsons punch..... go look it up... who gives a **** about ducking a punch...like thats the only defense possible. The guy is 6'5". I dont understand your obsession about a fighter ducking a punch... Wlads defense is very very good...Let it go already

 

I think you are underestimating Thompson... while not great offense...southpaw with very good defense. I dont think it would be as easy as you are making it out to be IMO

BTW. Povetkin is a MAND... dont make it sound like Wlad is cherry picking:-(

 

Simple case of exaggerating flashyness and boxing bling and ignoring subtle technical prowess, and i am very supportive of Haye.

Wladimir is incredibly skilled, his control of range through his footwork and the use of his jab (which is one of the best jabs in the history of the division) is phenomenal. He is also very difficult to hit. Haye's upper body movement was very impressive against Valuev, but he did get tagged several times by Barrett and was wobbling around the ring at times because he has poor balance and questionable footwork at times. Their styles are incomparable, but Wladimir is much more skilled, with Haye being more reliant on natural athleticism.

Any implication that Valuev would beat Wlad shows inadequate analysis, and a poor understanding of Wlad's fundamental weaknesses. Valuev fights at a slow pace, Wlad thrives on this. Wlad has very good handspeed and accuracy, he would land on the defensively liable giant fairly easily, and would stay out of punching range with his footwork when he isn't throwing. Wlad does actually use subtle upper body movement in his defense, which would be particularly easy in such a rangey match up against such a slow fighter. He would easily disrupt Valuev's predictable offense through parrying and pawing with his right hand.

Wlad's weakness is against genuine effectively applied pressure, through either volume or punching power or preferably some combination of the two, and although this is a weakness, its an incredibly difficult one to exploit. Valuev wouldn't apply buggerall pressure, and he certainly wouldn't outbox him.

Haye is a P4P talent though, there is no denying that.

 

Wlad's supposed incomplete defense makes him currently one of the hardest fighters to hit with clean power shots in boxing. Haye was in give and take battles with much smaller fighters like Mormeck and Fragomeni, who would never land anything on Wlad. Chagaev easily outlanded Valuev and didn't land a meaningful punch on Wlad, who has underrated speed, footwork when he needs to have it, good reflexes and a jab that nobody has gotten past in a long time. If Haye fights the perfect fight, he has a chance against Wlad, however he has never fought a perfect fight. He usually goes from brilliant to sloppy in one round. Or gainst Valuev, he wasn't brilliant or sloppy, he was just tenative, nothing that will help him against Wlad.

 

Great fight from Thomposon with big heart!

Great win for Wladimir!

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Man that was a nice right hand. Steward's finally got him tucking his chin as he throws it also.

I'd be mildly interested to see Wlad fight as the smaller man, but let's face it, he is twenty times the athlete Valuev is, and it's not in Valuev's nature to be an aggressive, come forward fighter, which is what has troubled Wlad the most. And there's also no way to build this fight into a worthy attraction unless Valuev makes another run.

 

i agree with the part when you say Haye can be sloppy, but his consentration has def improved

 

The is really "minuscle" Chef compared to some of his fans justifying that haye should be high as #3 on the P4P list....:rofl:rofl:rofl. Since these ****s flooded the GF with such asinine threads and posts about Haye beating Ali and being an ATG fighter, I have no doubt that these knob-lickers would propel Haye over Robinson as being P4P the greatest fighter ever when he beats Ruiz. Just watch:yep