Haye`s head movement is non existant

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  1. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    which he doesn't throw/use.
     
  2. Calzaghe #1

    Calzaghe #1 Active Member Full Member

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    He does, but he needs to use those advantages more in this fight, he needs to keep haye off with the jab because haye will look for harrison early of that there is no doubt.
    The longer it goes then it becomes Harrisons fight
     
  3. MaliBua

    MaliBua Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know a people who know a people who has seen Audley jabbing alot.:D
     
  4. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Calzaghe had good head movement.
     
  5. Calzaghe #1

    Calzaghe #1 Active Member Full Member

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    He did
     
  6. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well I haven't seen it, I've seen him freeze as soon as he gets hit a couple of times, over and over again thoughout his whole career.
     
  7. Calzaghe #1

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    Well its his best chance in this fight, its now or never
     
  8. gooners!!

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    Haye does not move his head in perputal motion that way you would expect, but he does use head-movement to a degree, mainly to slip and counter, or he uses head feints to draw the opponents jab so he can counter over it, although I take your point, his head-movement is not particularly good imo.

    What Audley has to watch out for, is Haye resetting him, cause Haye will attack Harrison when Harrison is in transition from just being reset by Haye, that will be what Haye will use to negate himself getting countered when he attacks. The reason? cause Haye does not have a consistent offensive jab to set up his own offense, plus, Harrison has a reach advantage, so he will want to use that footspeed to get in and out before getting caught on the tail end of his long arms. Another thing Harrison has to worry about, that he does not reach, fall short with the jab, cause Haye is going to be using his legs, and those head feints to draw that jab so he can work something of Audley's offense, and with Harrison's tendency to push the jab rather than snap it, could be a problem.

    Shadeed Saluki said Harrison is a smart fighter, he isn't imo, which is why I think he will fall victim to things I mentioned.

    Harrison also fights too flat footed, infact at times its as though he fights with his weight on heels as though he is looking for that rockin left hand, but the problem here, is that he needs to close distance relatively quickly, and deny Haye the space and time he needs to set up those attacks I spoke of, the ones where he moves, resets Harrison and attacks him off the angle, but as I say, Harrison's offensive footwork is not good enough to beat Haye to the spot and apply pressure, he is too methodical, cautious and plodding.
     
  9. Calzaghe #1

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    Harrison is a backfoot fighter and always has been and tommorow wont be any different, I take your point about transition and falling short with the jab, but as well as Audley falling short with the jab, haye needs to be careful flying in and getting tagged on the way in.
    Ruiz found it easy to land the jab on Haye and this is an old fighter who has been well round the block and then some and he did connect quite a lot with the jab.
     
  10. gooners!!

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    That how I envisage him trying to negate that, by resetting Harrison, attacking him when he is in transition.


    I think Ruiz having success was a culmination of factors, (1) that I dont think Haye was using his legs as much as he was earlier in the fight, probably due to tiredness, (2)because of a technical flaw in his ring generalship. Haye has a tendency to gravitate toward the ropes when someone backs him from behind the jab, he goes straight back in a line, and he only steps off the line when his back hit the ropes, which is usually where Ruiz was able to catch him, cause Haye would back up straight on the line, then when he was ready to pivot when his back hit the ropes, Ruiz would throw the right hand and land. With that said, I heard Haye give an interview where he said he had got his sparring partners doubling and tripple the jab etc, now given than Thompson is a better fighter than Harrison, and has had kind things to say about Haye, I assume they have been implementing that in sparring, seeing whether Haye can handle it, and the signs might be that he has managed to fix this issue somewhat.
     
  11. Calzaghe #1

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    Haye did seem to tire pretty quickly in the ruiz fight didnt he? And also in the valuev fight the commentators were saying haye tired by around the 6th
    If Audley can use the weight on haye push him around and press his weight on him back him up against the ropes, haye will tire.
    Its a reason I think Audley is the heaviest he has been for some time, much has been made of Hayes weight for this fight, but also the same could be said of audley, many thought to negate the speed of haye audley would come in around 17st 5 something like that but the both fighters shocked with the weights they did yesterday.
    Harrison is obviously looking to tie haye up and use the weight to tire the quicker man.
    And while it may make for a poor spectacle, Audley isnt looking to entertain he is looking to win at all costs.
     
  12. Boxed Ears

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    He's...one of the few heavies that have existent head movement. Hey, look, I spelled "existent" with two Es. Ha! I'm crazy like that.
     
  13. Calzaghe #1

    Calzaghe #1 Active Member Full Member

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    Existent :thumbsup ohh yeah, you crazy guy you
     
  14. gooners!!

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    Only thing I would say there, is that Harrison's biggest problem in this fight imo, is getting from A to B, without! getting nailed. I dont think Harrison has the footspeed, or the jab to to close Haye down, infact that is the most dangerous part of this fight for Harrison imo, he wont be able to negotiate his way across that killzone and put something on Haye, cause his jab is too slow, and he pushes it, and he is too flat footed.