I disagree here. Haye has 25 pro fights, he's been a pro for over 7 years, and he was a successfull amateur before that. He's had 6 fights at HW. He's not green anymore, he's at his peak and he's ready. The best should fight the best, period. Evander Holyfield had 24 pro fights when he challenged Buster Douglas for the HW championship, 6 of them at HW. What if he just chose to take easier fights instead and wait around for another couple years before fighting for a title in order to gain more experience? Yes, it would be 'smarter' for Haye to wait until Vitali retires and Wladimir is past his best before he faces him, but at the same time it would be lame, and not the way a 'great' boxer should do it. F*ck prudent matchmaking and 'business moves', this is bringing our sport down - if Haye is so good as he thinks he is, he should go right for the best opponent available, and that is Wlad. No more excuses. And, on top of all that, Haye has already opened his mouth so often about the Klits, there's no way he can not face them now without losing the respect the boxing world still gives him. As James Toney puts it: 'put your money where your mouth is!'
charisma is muhammad ali, for calling out people like foreman, liston and fighting them. calling people out, **** talking and running as haye has done is BULL**** and FRAUD not charisma...chew on that 1 for a minute
Yep you're right, I actually see WK as the 'real' champion... not Vit, not Haye, certainly not Holy, not any other boxer who has one of the alphabeth belts. But the problem remains that there only is a actual World Champion if all the mayor belts are united (don't care about titles like IBA, WPBF, 2xWBF, WBU etc.)
This is one of the rare occasions we disagree then. IMO, Haye may have 6 fights as a heavyweight but except for Valuev and Ruiz he has not fought any real threats as a heavywweight. Haye should also fight big guys like Tony Thompson so that he can get used to the height advantage of the Klits. I really see no need for Haye to rush it. He will gain important confidence and experience and be up to the task when he faces Wlad. A fight against the likes of Toney or Holyfield will also make him more known to the US public.
Since when has Haye had six fights at heavyweight? Is this one of those things were we count fighting a journeyman career cruiserweight who has fatted up as a 'heavyweight fight'?
so you like the idea of a guy talking just to be talking? :good to print up tshirts with their heads cut off and him holding them? :huh to sign a fight, wait till 3 weeks b4, 50,000 tix sold and bail out? :rofl win a **** paper title against a giant pile of poop and claim you are the heavyweight champ when no one ever considered Valeuv heavyweight champ b4 that? could fight wlad next...but signs for 38 year old broken down john ruiz, who had won 3 out 7 fights in 6 years with the wins coming against b level "C" level guys who combined for 36 losses :rofl EXCITING my man....EXCITING!! :happy
I second that. Wlad's boring style has put him in the position he is in today, which is not fighting TV (Mainly HBO) and reduced to fighting on shitty internet streams. Wlad needs Haye as much as Haye needs Wlad. Wlad I'm sure wants back on HBO, so the world could see him fight. Not just German fans, who will watch him fight Elton John in the squared circle. Haye brings excitement to the table, as well as a belt. Wlad's last exciting fight was Sam Peter back in septemeber of 05, so he needs David Haye in that sense. 50/50, and thats clear up the division a little more.
NONONONONONONO Haye needs to fight Wlad right now. Theres no better time than now. Otherwise they both defend against no-hopers for years and Heavyweights remain boring and un-unified. Haye-Wlad will actually be an exciting heavyweight fight...give it to us!
I agree with you. Haye adds some excitement to the heavyweight division. The Klits are very dominanty yet their fights are boring.
I stand corrected then, Haye has only had 5 fights at HW. I looked it up at boxrec again. Before he faced Monte Barrett, he himself boasted that he already knocked out two 'real HWs'. Of course they were journeymen, as was Barrett by the time he fought him, but they still were HWs. Haye could have some more decent HW scalps on his resume by now if he had stayed more active. It doesn' change much about my reasoning tho.
He was but it would be good for Haye to get a couple of other fights against big guys. The point is that Wlad is very dominant, you need to be perfectly prepared from an experience and confidence view point before fighting him.