Haye simply has a better career than vitali klitchko

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Complete Bovine excrement, lad.

    I am in complete agreement that Wlad is the more skillful boxer of the two brothers and has a better raft of scalps on his resume.


    Why would it hurt ?

    Are you arguing with yourself here, its a ?

    'cause that's sure what it looks like. :yep

    There are countless threads on the idea of rightful champion.

    After Lennox retired, there was no 'rightful' champion for a long time. The big four alphabet organizations all had 'champions' and eventually, Wlad earned (in most observers' minds) the distinction of 'linear' champion, which is what I presume you mean by 'rightful' champion.

    When he achieved that honour is up for discussion.

    Some argued that he was CHAMPION when he beat Byrd. Others (including RING Magazine) said it was when he beat Chagaev.

    The TNBR decided it was when he beat Povetkin.

    Dinovelvet felt it was never.

    In most minds, he did eventually achieve the goal, and in misty minds, Vitali did not.

    BTW, I am a fan of BOTH brothers.



    He has many respectable wins, but as I told you at the very beginning, (only half in jest :D), Vitali's loss to ATG Lewis was better than anything Haye ever did.
     
    cuchulain, Jan 20, 2016
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  2. guncho

    guncho next champion! Full Member

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    vitali 3 time hw belt holder and former linear champ (Sanders vs Vitali was for linear title)

    wins gomez (long time CW champ) Adamek (Cw champ no 3 Hw at the time) Peter (no2 heavy at the time) Sanders (no 3 Hw at the time) Top 10 guys (Hide, Arreolla, Donald, Solis-Undefeated olympic gold medalist)

    And Haye has what? WBA paper belt (chagevs belt, latter Wlads), Valuev (top5 Hw at he time) Ruiz (top ten at the time)
    thats it!

    Then at CW he has Linear title and unified, morrameck no 1 CW Enzo no 3 and Fragnomeli top ten.

    So no i don't think haye has better resume!
     
    guncho, Jan 20, 2016
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  3. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vitali vs Sanders for lineal title lol thanks for the laugh
     
    itsa, Jan 20, 2016
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  4. guncho

    guncho next champion! Full Member

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    who cares, it's a fact and bised on your agenda in this thread we go by facts.
     
    guncho, Jan 21, 2016
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  5. Zodius

    Zodius Active Member Full Member

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    Vitali clearly beat lewis

    Haye has never beat an ATG like vitali did
     
    Zodius, Jan 21, 2016
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  6. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    vitali lost to klitchko

    lineal title was vacant until Wlad vs Chagaev

    Vitali was never a lineal champion.

    Haye KO'd mormeck for the undisputed CW championship.

    these are facts
     
    itsa, Jan 21, 2016
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  7. Zodius

    Zodius Active Member Full Member

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    You are a chump who DKSAB

    Certified fact
     
    Zodius, Jan 21, 2016
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  8. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you wouldn't know a certified fact if it was a legend named David Haye sir :hi:
     
    itsa, Jan 22, 2016
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  9. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    why u selling haye anyway, hes a chump as much as vits is.
     
    HerolGee, Jan 22, 2016
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  10. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Name one accomplishment for Vitali that doesnt involve looking great while his getting uppercutted to death by lennox.

    Haye is better simply put.
     
    itsa, Jan 22, 2016
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  11. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    possibly yes you can argue it, they are kinda close. I'd go with vitali for longevity.
     
    HerolGee, Jan 22, 2016
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  12. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We would have to consider Vitali the greatest non-champion of all time.

    I go haye for being a lineal holder and moving up in weight. regardless of what you guys think of the "watered down" HW division
     
    itsa, Jan 22, 2016
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  13. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    yes thatwhy hes chumpish, he relied on his brother to bail him out of middling opposition he couldn't beat.

    haye on the other hand, ran from mediocre opposition that he couldn't beat.
     
    HerolGee, Jan 22, 2016
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  14. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    and vice versa for wlad as well.

    im trying to think who else couldn't get the lineal. Terell, Ellis, Morrison?
     
    itsa, Jan 22, 2016
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  15. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    huge wlad fan BTW
     
    itsa, Jan 22, 2016
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