Haye v Dempsey

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    We're comparing two me of similar size 100 years apart.
     
  2. ron u.k.

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    I think this really does come down to mentality.It's in that department that Haye would never have met anyone as comparable to Dempsey.
    A peak Dempsey was a killer not one single ounce of his being could be intimidated. It was the whole package with him there was simply a hunger and desire within him due to
    his circumstances coming up that Haye just wouldn't be able to overcome.
    Haye probably has a few physical advantages in this and I say only probably,but that wouldn't be enough here.
    They're two different animals,one really meant it,the other just plays at it.
     
  3. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Comparing the old and the new.

    Who wins? 1940.Porsche or 2012 ford focus?

    Haye would destroy Dempsey.
    Adamek would destroy Dempsey ffs.

    No disrespect to Dempsey. He was great in his era.
     
  4. Flea Man

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    The difference being is that the technology had evolved to make above average cars spectacular compared to their older counterparts (that look beautiful mind you)

    The substance behind Haye's style is not all that.
     
  5. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My oh my no one knows anything in this forum! Haye beats Jack Dempsey? How many great trainers rate Haye as one of the all time greats? I can list a half dozen all time great boxing trainers who rated Dempsey as the best. Sam Langford any stretch of the imagination one of the very best stated.... "Dempsey is the greatest hwt I have ever seen". A nobody like Haye in an era of really bad hwts who will never be anything and will more than likely never be mentioned in the record books would beat Jack Dempsey? Is there a boxing forum not populated by children?
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I didn't say Dempsey loses to Haye, I said the opposite.

    You're so unobjective and clouded by bias there's little point continuing.
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    All measurable sports have improved and become more specialised and scientific. Boxing is a bit different in that over the last 20years the participation has decreased and it's become somewhat marginalised. However in Dempsey's time participation wasn't that high either and it was a fledgling sport.

    Haye's style does has it's weaknesses:

    wings his punches at times
    low hands
    ineffective inside
    flat footed

    As does Dempsey's:

    No jab
    low hands
    left hook happy

    Due to the training science available to him Haye has built a much more powerful body, Dempsey is much fitter being less lazy
     
  8. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Luf.....did I quote or mention you?
     
  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    no, but I did start this thread so I assumed the post was aimed at me.

    Apologies.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    Haye is the laughingstock of heavyweight boxing.

    This is the truth about David Haye : He's made some big money being a self-appointed court jester to the Klitschko brothers. That's it. He's just a footnote to the dominant Wladimir Klitschko, who many people find boring.
    Haye cannot be taken seriously. He's not even a hype job. He's a very bad comedy act.
    A light relief interlude.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    I disagree. He unified the cw division and established himself as the best available challenger to wlad. He came up short but I would expect the same could be said for the vast majority of heavyweights.
     
  12. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is a joke...right? What a crock to compare Haye against Jack Dempsey...Dempsey by murder...
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    Did he really unify the cw division ? He beat two of the titlists. He didn't fight the IBF champion. He didn't do much to establish himself as the best available challenger for Wlad - I mean, he was not a stand-out challenger in pure fighting terms. He was just the latest in a long line of undistinguished challengers. He established himself as a big payday. He held the WBA title - but so did Valuev, and Ruiz. He was just successor to those old relics. Wlad should have had that WBA belt anyway, since beating Chagaev, but the WBA have some funny rules.
     
  14. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes the IBF was plastic having been stripped from the Bell-Mormeck unification, no he didn't beat 'titlists' he beat the man in the division and a titlist too

    Anyway Dempsey fans downplaying Haye's record when Dempsey's is just as bad especially with the losses to fatboy Meehan

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  15. lufcrazy

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    Go troll elsewhere.