Haye V Valuev

Haye would comfortably outbox him. He would be so much quicker it would be almost surreal to watch. I can never imagine that giant getting knocked out, and at the same time he isn't a big puncher at all, so I'd take Haye by wide decision

 

That's the thing, he's huge, but he hasn't got the power, speed or finishing ability to ever KO Haye.

Haye would run rings around him. And you never know, if Haye catches him flush on the temple or point of the chin, Valuev could go down.

 

I don't really think it's possible to win a wide decision over Valuev. Any opponent (not just Haye) will have to be in constant motion against Valuev and let's face it, fighting a huge guy like that is gonna wear on you both physically and mentally. There will almost assuredly have to be convalescent rounds for the opponent and these are the rounds Valuev will probably win on activity alone. Chagaev fought a great fight and still only won by a few points. It takes a major league effort to beat a guy as big as Valuev.

 

I don't know though. I could be wrong.

 

Are you saying that Valuev has less power than Mormeck? If Valuev lands something flush (and he will land it eventually), Haye will be badly hurt.

 

You need speed, power and finishing ability to KO or TKO somebody.

Valuev doesn't have the speed to land flush on Haye. Even if he did, the punch would be so telegraphed it would limit the effect. Even if he then did land with speed and power, he doesn't have the finishing ability to take out Haye, because his feet are too slow and he can't throw punches in bunches.

I'd say a punch from Mormeck which you don't see and slip into would hurt more than one of Valuev's arm punches that you see 5 minutes before it lands.

 

Haye has a harder time with Valuev than Chagaev and Peter.

FACT.

Im Hayes boy, but I personally wouldnt like to see him against Valuev any time soon.

 

Yes, but you are not taking into account how much quicker Haye is going to be in there. It really wouldn't be a huge physical strain for him to avoid Valuev, he fights like an oak tree

Chagaev is a completely different fighter. I've never seen Chagaev win a comfortable fight. He always makes it close, becuase he's fairly passive, and a natural counterpuncher

 

WTF? you don't need a lot of power to knock out Haye, ask Lolenga Mock. Valuev's power is more than good enough to get the job done if he lands a few good shots at the right time.

Yeah, it sounds so simple, I wonder why people fighting him always have a hard time. The truth is it is NOT that simple. Fighting against a guy like Valuev wears you down, the constant running, the weight he puts on you in clinches, the useless powerpunches that have no effect, that's the key to Valuev's success. Most people can look good against him in the first few rounds when they are fresh but if it gets tough in the later rounds it's a whole different story, especially guys with a shitty stamina like Haye will have a huge problem.

 

He'll have to get near him to clinch :yep

Valuev's work-rate won't look like it usually does in this fight either. He has never faced somebody with the speed, precision, power and most importantly aggression to actually try and take him out or hurt him. Chagaev was content to eek out a close points decision. Lyakovich looked like he trained at McDonalds, he was there for a paycheck

Against a guy in shape, that has power and can box he'll look like the circus act he is

 

Because Chagaev has a better chin, defensive skills, and staminia than Haye...and might even hit harder!

 

That's all valid (though I disagree), I was merely disagreeing with your initial point that Haye would lose on size alone.

 

I think Valuev's size and overwhelming weight leaning on Haye would do him in. Haye would probably be TKOed late, or lose a decision.

Valeuv is immense and I don't think even someone as fast and slick as Haye could deal with him, being that Haye is so much smaller.

 

ignoring all his delusional banter and insane fans, the guy is an excellent athlete with very good power and handspeed. he has next to no defense and throws a lot of wide punches.

the biggest question i have relates to his stamina as a hw? When he weighs 220-230 as a hw, can he go into the late rounds with that body? he has a narrow frame and clearly had stamina issues in the past as a cw. moreover, he has an aggressive style and high output.

once he cant get his opponent out in the early rounds, how will he react? valuev is not very good. he's got a decent jab and workrate and that's about it. his size, chin, and stamina are huge pluses for him in this fight. i see haye dominating the first 5 rounds or so, gassing, then valuev taking him out late with his "feather dusters"

haye, imo, doesnt seem like a smart or patient fighter, ignoring his limitations whereas wlad has become aware of them and adjusted his game. In many ways, haye is similar to the early wlad, seeking the knockout instead of just boxing and letting it come.

Haye wants to throw non-stop power shots. Against valuev, he'd be better off just boxing and featuring his jab and try to win on pts.

 

I'd say Haye has clearly adjusted and doesn't just throw 'non-stop' power shots anymore. Do you really see no difference in Haye in the Mormeck fight compared to the Thompson fight (where he exactly did what you say, threw massive amounts of huge shots and punched himself out)?