Haye vs ademak right now who wins and why..???????///

He absolutely was not "out on his feet."

 

Are you sure? I'm pretty confident I seen him one clean shot away from being dropped on at least two occasions against Grant.

 

i think the klits are the only worry for haye at this point in time.

 

On both occasionas he continued to move and slip punches. In the six, when Grant saw him wobble, he goes in with a big rigth taht Adamek slips easily, then throws a hook which i can't quite tell if it misses or just has some power taken off of it by Adamek's movement. In any event he was conscious of where he was an what he had to do.

In the twelth he slipped enough and moved enough so that its no worth analyzing.

"Out on your feet" does not mean conscious and employing good defense.

 

I don't agree. Haye has certainly slowed down since he came up from cruiser. His hands are still quite fast, but his feet are not much to write home about. While he never had good footwork, I have not been impressive by his movement against nearly immovable objects like Ruiz and Valuev.

 

Adamek was only hurt in the 6th round when his legs buckled for a moment. And still had it together enough to duck, and lean away from the short follow up attack of Grant before the bell.

By no means was he out on his feet at any point, but he was hurt. In the 12th round Adamek moved out of the way of almost everything Grant threw at him, a nice display of defense.

 

I'll have to rewatch the bout again at some point...but your giving Adamek credit for slipping a punch after he had just been badly wobbled? Grant couldn't land two straight right hands in a row the whole bout...this may have been a combination of Adamek "employing good defense", and Grant being bad. But it doesn't stop the fact that Adamek was one clean punch away from being dropped, i.e. he was out on his feet. Maybe not stopped at that point, but someone with a little more killer instinct, Adamek would have taken a 10 count.
Also, in the latter rounds (I can't remember what round it was)...I think it was after Adamek got the second cut, he looked as if he was ready to be dropped again (maybe feeling the pace?)...but Grant once again didn't take advantage.

I'd also like to see a better angle of the action at the very end of the 1st round...Grant looked as if he caught Adamek with an uppercut before they fell over. Not sure if this landed clean or not, but Adamek didn't look so steady when he got up.

 

Exactly. Posted mine before reading the 2nd page.

 

Like I said in my last post...I'll rewatch the bout again. But I'm pretty confident in what I saw as it was one of the few occasions I have watched a late bout whilst sober.

 

He may be a bit faster, but I don't think he is a land slide faster as some would have you believe.

Some posters make his speed out to be RJJ like. Adamek has very fast hands as well.

 

I wouldn't say he was close to RRJ speed, but he is faster than Adamek...especially with the 1-2. Although Adamek's 1-2 hook was working a treat against Grant, and was thrown with speed.

 

He was no doubt hurt at the end of round 6, but still conscious enough to employ an effective defense, other then a clinch. Round 12 Grant was busy, but Adamek moved out of the way of almost everything he threw, and the punches that did land didnt phase him.

Round 1 I did see that uppercut, and rewatched it, and seems their feet got somewhat caught up right after that. He looked fine to me after getting up. Can't remember anywhere else where it seemed Adamek might have gotten tagged hard.

 

I'm gonna watch this........

Been reading the Adamek sense of humour thread in the lounge, and its inspired me to watch one of his fights.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpsm-pacu6M[/ame]

 

Haye would win by ud possibly ko. He's faster stronger. Adamek has the better chin and stamina but I don't think it would matter because adamek does not poses the defense to stop any offensive attack from haye.

 

Yes I give him credit because you said he was out on his feet and he clearly was not.

As for being one punch away- every heavyweigth is one punch away in a fight. Goral was hurt but on his bicycle responding, which is the opposite of "out on his feet."

He as wobbled. It happens in fights.