Haye vs ademak right now who wins and why..???????///

Are you just making your own top 15 rankings up? I'm pretty sure Haye won a title? Was Valuev ranked outside of the top 15, even as champion?

 

on the matter of Hayes defense and reflexes i would like you to take another look at the first 30 seconds of the ruiz fight and count how many punches Ruiz throws that don't land.... Then compare Ruiz's handspeed to Grants...

Also if Hayes chin is so bad and his defense is so bad why has he not been knocked out more times? He's fought enough guys with decent power

 

Also i wouldn't say Haye's performance was worse against Valuev.... He didn't throw as many punches as he could have done with 2 hands but he barely got tagged at all. Whereas Adamek was on a ***** street a couple of times against a 38 year old Grant who has had 1 fight against a novice in 2 years who's hand speed was just as slow as Valuevs

 

What title, the one valuev lost by being dominated by chagaev? who then went to lose the title to wladimir? Is holyfield a top 15 hw right now? serious question Cuz he beat Valuev more convincigly than haye did. And it was earlier. Paper belt doesnt automatically makes you a top fighter. Valuev was the worst heavyweight champion ever, He should have lost to Donald, Bidenko, 50 years Holyfield etc..

 

He was in trouble in many of the fights that he eventually won like Fragomeni, mormeck even barrett put him down. Im not even pointing the Thompson or Mock bouts.

Also Im not thinking his defense is so bad, but its certainly not world class, he holds his hands low and uses reflexes which wont be enough against fast and pretty accurate fighter like adamek. Compare ruiz's handspeed from haye fight to grant? Well i dont see much difference, do you?

Also I give Haye some credit for koing ruiz. But lest be honest here, ruiz cerainly didnt fight like he used to(hugging, grabbing, fouling etc.), he was fighting unnaturally(open) for him cuz it was his last fight and he wanted to provide some entertainment. And it was very helpful for haye.

 

Oh, i'm sorry. I didn't realised you are ******ed.

 

Haye has no defense.

 

I don't understand this.

You're saying he has no defence at all.

You're also saying he has no chin at all.

Why has he never been knocked out?

 

He has.

 

No, he was stopped on his feet. Ever seen that fight?

I mean actually knocked down/out for the count. If he has absolutely no defence and a horrible chin, surely he'd be easy to knock out?

 

Yeah you go on a technicality...his corner saved him from being layed out on the canvas.That is and was a KO victory!

 

Brilliant response:roll: Dont turn into troll. I have nothing against you im just answering ur question. Valuev lost his title to chagaev is that incorrect? Or maybe you yourself could highlight the part where im wrong?

Also i forgot to add that outside of obvious robberries against donald, bidenko and holyfield, valuevs "wins" over ruiz were controversial aswell. Have you seen these fights mister?

 

If his chin and defence are so bad why has he never been knocked out or at least down for the ten count?

 

He lost by KO already...live with it.

 

Lewis KO 6.