Like once or two against limited competition ... would he do the same against the best Cruisers? Haye has completely no record of fighting full 12 rounds against experienced and top level fighter.
Haye has gone 12 rounds once, against a bum. I'm quite sceptic as to him going 12 hard rounds against a good opponent.
Ismeal isn't a bum hes just a really good gatekeeper, who seems kinda unknockoutable or over protected... The guy faught the whos who on the CW/lightheavyweight division. Hes kinda like the Ross Puritty or Marion Wilson(HWs) in those divisions...
Going 12 rounds against Ross Purity type is not the same as going 12 rounds against the prime Tyson or Levis. In similar fashion going 12 rounds against Ismeal is not the same as going 12 rounds against Adamek for example ... or is?
Holyfield would stop him, no question. Holyfield was simply at least a level above Haye. Gomez at cruiser had excellent boxing skills, and was more durable than Haye. Also Gomez has a good chin, no matter what some here say - so much for Haye blitzing him. Gomez would outbox and outwork a tired Haye to a clear decision. The Toney that beat Jirov would stop Haye. Hayes style is just tailor made for Toney, and Haye could not stop the granite chinned Toney. Toney by TKO round 9 after punishing Haye. Well Haye barely beat Mormeck, maybe a fresher Mormeck could've finished him when he had him in trouble or at least outlast him... maybe not, Mormeck never was that good, so I'll go with Haye by middle rds stoppage. A focused Bell would probably have stopped Haye, Bell got great chin and power. But on a bad night Haye would squeeze out a win. I don't know much about Adamek, but he seems to be a tough SOB. And if Haye can't stop an opponent by the middle rds he's in for a long night. You forgot to mention Quawi and Jirov, they're better and tougher CWs than Bell or Mormeck. And they would both have stopped Haye in a war. They'd just have pressured Haye with relentless body punching until he tired and then finished him by the middle-late rds.
No but going 9 rounds with the new and awkward current WBC CW Champ Fragomeni proves he can go further than 3 rounds like you say. Stop the hating man. Hayes speed, power, boxing ability and reach give him a very good chance against all of them. The only 2 i see giving him too many problems are Toney and Holyfield due to their chins and boxing ability.
Against Mormeck Haye admitted he was dehydrated due to having to lose 10lbs in 2 days... the fit and healthy Haye that fought Macaranelli probably would have dealt with that fight much easier. I can see there are a lot of Hayeters on ESB
I'm just looking for reasonable analysis, the one which says he will KO all of them in 8 is not the one which I can accept.
I though about them but I assumed that since Holyfield beat best version of Quawi and Toney beat best version of Jirov they may be slipped. I put however Mormeck because he was not the same in 2005 as he is now and Bell who lost to Adamek was not the same Bell who beat Mormeck.
This is nonsense and you are way out of line. So, now a victory over Barett proves more than a victory over Toney. And Barett was a more risky fight than Toney. Man, this forum is really slipping.
Haye has definitely a good chance against Bell, Adamek and Gomez. Haye would lose against Toney and Gomez. Let me tell you one thing. Quawi is the toughest fighter I have ever seen in the ring. He would beat Haye up and teach him a lesson.
Quawi and Toney are all wrong Haye. Quawi will take everything Haye throws, duck and roll with it and then pressure Haye. Quawi is just so tough, he will get to Haye and rough him up. Haye is very skilled. But Toney is even more skilled. They both fight kinda similar, it is just that Toney can do everything Haye can just a little better. Haye might beat Gomez,Adamek and Bell though.
Out of that lot the only one id favor Haye is vs Mormeck who also was a front runner. Gomez was VERY good when he was at 190 and was one of the best box punchers at the time. Toney would have his way with Haye and wear him down late as he did Jirov with deft counter punching. Holy would simply walk him down and knock him out. Bell was a monstrous puncher at cruiser. I remember him making hard work of Rothmann but both have the equalizer. As for Adamek i havent seen him enough.
Toney called out Haye on numerous occasions and was willing to travel to London to take the fight, even for the chump change Hayemaker promotions offered. Haye responded that he respected Toney a lot but didn't want to fight him because of Toneys mediocre record at HW (he also said he'd knock Toney out if they'd fight). Haye then proceeded to fight Monte Barrett instead... There's no question most boxing fans would have preferred seeing Haye-Toney instead of Haye-Barret. An old experienced legend against an up and coming young gun, sounds promising, right? And by beating Toney would've proven something - something he didn't do by beating a shot Barrett, period. The questions about Hayes chin and stamina remain. I guess Haye didn't have enough self-confidence to face an old fat Toney, a fight that he had a good chance of winning (seeing Toneys poor performances lately), but which simply seemed too risky in the end...