Haye vs best Cruisers ...

First of all James Toney is an ATG. Haye is not an ATG.

Secondly:

Toney has beaten: Holyfield, Booker, Guinn, Oquendo, Ruiz (NC later), Batchelder, draw with Rahman. He also beat Peter in the opinion opf most the first time. Only beaten by Peter so far.

Haye has beaten Barett and DUCKED Toney.

Your opinion that HAye beats Toney is irrelevant in this context.

 

Like I said your opinion that Haye wins is irrelevant because the Haye-Toney matchup is generally perceived as quite winnable for both man. There won't be a clear vut favourite.

Barett was shot. Barett did lose every significant fight in his career and does not have a lot of power. But according to you the Barett matchup was more interesting, it makes no sense at all.

 

Ok, now let's suppose for a moment that you could be right with your assessment how this fight would've turned out... wouldn't Haye have proven more then by beating Toney than he did by beating Barrett? Wouldn't you have preferred watching Haye taking on Toney than him taking on a shot Barrett? If you don't then you're a very strange boxing fan. At this point Barrett is little more than a journeyman at HW. Toney is a fringe contender. And regardless of the outcome the fight would most probably have gone the distance, at least the questions about Hayes stamina would've been answered then...

 

Let me tell you one thing.

James Toney would be Haye' biggest name in his record. How many times in your career do you have the chance to face an ATG?

A Toney win would give Haye some credit as Toney has only lost to Peter so far. It would give him certainly more credit than beating up a bum like Barett.

 

Exactly but probably this guy will come up with yet another excuse.

 

"Haye wants to face the best..."

The "best" is not Barett. Toney is better than Barett. So, Haye does not want to fight the "best"

As for the Waldo deal, nothing has been signed and I believe it when it is done. haye did the same thing with Rahman.

 

And I'll say it again, what did Haye prove by beating Barrett? So what, it may have been exciting, but the questions about his stamina at HW remain. They would've been answered if he'd taken on Toney. If it's only about exitement, then line up 10 glass chinned bums and let Haye knock them out on the same night. And give him 4oz gloves, it'll be even more exciting then... would you like to see that? Maybe you should just start watching MMA? Btw Haye said he wants to campaign at MMA after having become the undisputed HW champ

 

its simple why he didnt pick toney, its his official arrival to the heavyweight division, he wants to excite his fanbase by fighting a crowd pleasing fight. james toney isnt exactly an action fighter, mean while barrett is hungry (sure toney is to but not like that) and hes willing to stand in front of you and slug. u never know, he might eventually make his way to toney, after he loses to wlad

 

It is much more simple: Haye was afraid he might lose or look bad agsint Toney, He wanted an easy opponent for his heavyweight debut.

And, James Toney always stands in front of his opponents and fights.

Haye fought a bum instead of an ATG, now you haye fans should all accept it the way it is and get over it.

 

You're drifting away here...

But ok, where was Barrett rated at 'world renowned box rec' when he fought Haye? Was he even among the top 20? Well, maybe he was 15th... But it doesn't really matter either. Do you honestly think that Toney-Haye would have been an uninteresting boring fight? Personnally I don't think Haye-Barrett was that exciting... it wasn't exactly a great fight, Haye did what he was expected to do and didn't prove us anything we didn't know already. The questions about his chin and stamina remain. He should've fought Toney, or Rahman at least.

On a sidenote, Haye was never undisputed, he was the unified champ, there was a thread about that here a couple days ago. But it's only a detail. I respect Haye for being the unified champ at CW. He's not proven at HW. Should he be respected more than ATG James Toney then? James Toney with his great record? Are you serious?

 

1) Haye ducked Toney

2) Toney is an ATG, Haye is not

3) Toney has beaten more and beaten the opposition at cruiserweight and heavyweight.

4) Haye fought a bum for his heavyweight debut. Toney fought a Top contender in Holyfield (number 5 by the Ring)

Is there any need to go on...

What is your point anyway?

 

Because the fight would get a lot of media attention. Just imagine the press conferences with these two. Haye would be much more known in the States

Toney is still very credible. Has beaten some heavyweights and only lost to Peter. He also is an ATG.

How anyone reasons that it makes more sense to face Barett than Toney is beyond me.

 

Of course I respect the unified (not undisputed) CW champ, the great David Haye. Because box rec rates him at #4. After all he beat the great Monte Barrett. And David Hayes record is at least 10 times better than James Toneys. David Haye is proven so much more, even at HW. I think it's safe to say that David Haye is already an ATG.

 

Those Box Rec ratings don't mean anything and everybody knows that.
And again fighting a bum like Barett proves more than fighting an ATG like Toney.


The Ring Ratings mean something, where does Haye rank there?

 

Umm...it doesn't sound like you were...

Here it sounds like you are talking about Haye "ducking" Toney at heavyweight.

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