Haye was never undisputed champ at cruiser

:rofl swear you aint lying....in all honesty, he may actually be the Blackest of All Time (BOAT?_), but **** you right, Mirandas a good call, and speakin of that *******, i was mad as **** the 1st time i seen him speak, i was like "this ol' black ass *****, he bout to get on the mike soundin like Paul Williams" then he start speakin damn spanish and just blow my mind, smh atsch.....if you that dark it's a must that you speak either English or Swahili, wtf he doing?

that's like Margarito having a british accent, that **** just wouldn't add up

 

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I'm going to sleep, PEACE

 

Ok history lesson. Here we go. After Holyfield left the cruiserweight division in 1988 a motly crue of fighters held pieces of the title. Take a look at some of the names. Wamba, Mayfield, Grant, M. Duran, Belbouli, Daniels, Dominguez, Thompson, Bott. A who's who list of average fighters.

Jirov and Gomez could have unified to come up with a legitimate undisputed champion but they never fought. Fast forward to 2005. Two champions in Mormeck and Braithewaite put their belts (WBA and WBC) on the line. When a division doesn't have a unification match in 17 years the first one that is made immediately qualifies as the fight that yields the recognized undisputed champion. Like it or not, the belts are the measuring sticks that yield the undisputed champions and even if two of the worst titlists of all-time unified it still qualifies based on the barren state of the division. As it turned out, Mormeck and Braithewaite were very capable fighters so we had a worthy matchup. Mormeck won the fight, thus becoming the man at cruiserweight. Not only was an undisputed champion made but a lineage was established again.

Furthermore, Mormeck and Bell fought with another belt (IBF) on the line. Notice how the WBO, absent in Holyfield's time, is absent yet again as Johnny Nelson still has it in England. Bell beats Mormeck and you have a unified titlist with 3 belts, the same 3 belts that Holyfield wore. The WBO is not in there to jam up the machinery since you don't recognize it. Mormeck wins the rematch from Bell albeit minus the IBF title. No matter, the IBF simply became a separate entity having no effect on the true championship. It's not about a linear title. Sure, the belts are the quantifying measure of how the undisputed champion came about so I suppose you can say that had Mormeck or Bell vacated all the belts there would be no champion. You can't have one without the other. The thing is that they didn't vacate the belts. Mormeck still had 2 of them when he fought Haye, who went on to defeat the Frenchman and rightfully claim the title of undisputed cruiserweight champion. Haye even went so far as to strengthen his hold by beating another titlist in Macca for the WBO belt but even had he not done so he would have been undisputed based on what started out with Mormeck and Braithewaite.

In other words, Haye was the undisputed cruiserweight champion of the world.

 

correct ^^

 

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What exactly was your point dumbass in saying Haye only had 1 fight as champ? He said way before the Mac fight he would be moving up to heavy, hell he even fought a fight at heavy before the Mormeck fight. You really are a dumbass :good

As for the getting KO'd by a journeyman, well he's more than likely fighting the heavyweight champ in June so we will find out how good he is then. Dumbass.

Now unless you have any other completely rubbish and pointless posts you want to make to make yourself look even more dumbass, then

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Correct..Haye was not undisputed champ but unified champ(WBA & WBC)..There's a difference between unified and undisputed......But Haye was the man to beat handsdown!!!

 

Haye was never undisputed.

Undisputed is WBA, WBC, and IBF... and recently the WBO. The WBA, WBC, and IBF can be enough to claim undisputed status a lot of times, as the WBO is not quite on the same level yet as the others in universal recognition. They key is the WBA, WBC, and IBF.. you have to WIN those, not just the guy who "had" them or should have "had" them.

This thread shows the worst of the ESB all in one place, arguing out their ass even though they know they are wrong.. with multiple accounts to boot.

 

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This again? Listen the word "Undisputed" means "with out dispute" being named the Undisputed Champon means only someone who recently suffered a blow to the head could not reconize this person as the TRUE Champion of their division. Can anyone here honently say Haye was not the true champion?

 

I know where you are coming from objectively speaking but a lot of subjectivity plays into this scenario. The division had not seen 2 beltholders fight each other in 17 years and a lot of solid fighters had passed through it without unifying. The public was ready to recognize the first fighter to become a unified champion, whether he won 2 belts or 3 belts in the process. When Mormeck annexed Braithewaite's WBC title he had 2 belts and that was good enough to stake a claim.

The thing is that the division had been a wasteland for unified champions. This is what factors into the equation. Just about everyone recognized Mormeck as the undisputed cruiserweight champion. Even furthering the strength of the title was the fact that Bell became a 3-belt champion by beating Mormeck. Sure, Bell never lost the IBF title in the ring but did that make him any less of an undisputed champion when he fought Mormeck the second time? Was Lennox Lewis any less of an undisputed champion by the time he fought Vitali Klitschko even though he had dumped the WBA and IBF belts and had only the WBC strap around his waist? Certainly not.

Forget the lineage. The circumstances dictated the championship. Perhaps if there had been other unified champions in that 17-year period the championship identity Mormeck and Bell had may have been watered down. There weren't any unfied champions though. Only speculation. It wasn't some move out of desperation to manufacture a cruiserweight champion. Don King had 2 champions in his stable who were willing to unify in a division where the word unification didn't exist. What were we gonna do? Wait another 17 years? If you asked any true boxing fan in 2005 who the undispted cruiserweight champion was they'd say Jean Marc Mormeck. Granted, that may just be public opinion but public opinion is pretty ****ing strong.

 

You're one of the most negative posters on this board. You hate this, you hate that. I've never seen anything like it. Nothing but venom and negativity out of you. Your posts are all the same. Every single one involves taking a shot at a boxer or another poster.

 

Who disputed Hayes crown??Cunningham won a vacant belt,making Haye undisputed in my eyes.Whos still bitching about this anyhow?