Haye's Chin: STILL Questionable!!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Zakman, Nov 8, 2009.


  1. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Haye claims to have broken his hand in RD2. So if thats true (I think it probably is) then the performance would have been better, minus the injury. I knew it would be a ****, slow, lifeless fight and I did think Haye was running scared at points (because of the chin issue).

    But what I really liked about the performance from Haye, was that it was very cerebral, very measured - he looked to be tuned in and in control - which hasn't been the case in the past.

    Also, Valuev is slow as ****, but Haye looked very agile and mobile and athletic, which actually made me think (combined with the tactical prowess which he showed) that he has a future as a top level HW.

    Given the right opponent, Haye will attract plenty of fans. This was the first dull fight he has been involved in, and even so, I was on my feet when he wobbled Valuev in the 12th.
     
  2. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He adjusted his style because of his broken hand and the size advantage Valuev has. Valuev's tactics include leaning on his opponent in the clinch and Haye had to avoid that. That took away his inside work.

    If he changed because of his chin, why would one of his most offensive performances be against Maccarinelli? He was very offensive against Barrett too, who you claimed would stop him. Hes been attacking against all the punchers hes fought, yet him being defensive against Valuev is because hes protecting his chin?

    You're wrong. Just....wrong, honestly.
     
  3. DLT

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    Rico - JUST ANOTHER GREEN YANK
     
  4. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Perhaps. And maybe this hand issue was a significant factor in his over-cautiousness. But clearly, concern with getting caught by the big man was also a factor.

    Ultimately, the jury on Haye's viability at HW, and his ability to take a top flight HW punch, still has to be out at this point, however.
     
  5. aperfectm

    aperfectm New Member Full Member

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    His chin was'nt really tested last nite except for a short left and counter right hand, those were the only telling shots Valuev caught him with and they had no effect. But two so called power punches in 36 minutes is not enough to bust this myth.
     
  6. DLT

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    I agree, he jury is still out. However, his tactics were right - it was never going to be a slug fest, it would have been riddick for that to be he case given the history of valuevs chin and hayes.

    Whatwe do know however is that haye could have had him out of there if its true about his right hand...
     
  7. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ah, out comes the tired old 'Yank' card. What, do you Brits spend hours at home in good old Mother England thinking about how frustrated the American boxing public must be about its lack of HW and SMW contenders? How f*&king sad. Americans don't care. Honestly. I know you guys think we're consumed by it, but all the American boxing fans I know root for the guy they like, regardless of where he's from. Americans don't like Haye, not because he's not an American, but because he comes across like an obnoxious assh0le. Same reason they don't like Floyd. Back to the regularly scheduled programming. Either Klitchko will knock Haye's tiny head off. End of.
     
  8. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why would Haye not have the same fear against other big punchers? If you're saying he ran because he was scared his chin was too weak, why would he choose to bulldoze Maccarinelli, a proven knockout artist?
     
  9. CharlieGarbs

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    At the end of the day, you know who David Haye is, but no one knows who are you.
     
  10. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    That's debatable. Enzo (to my knowledge) hasn't stopped anyone that hadn't been stopped before above domestic level..... and even if he has, it will most likely be one of those bull**** Sports Network 'never been stopped but is shot and ripe for taking' jobs.

    However your point is valid.
     
  11. zfc

    zfc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why dont you and Rico the moron Spadafora who has never called a fight correctly rent a motel room together for one night.

    You could both bore the sh*t out of eachother while f*cking eachother in the a** as you are both a pair of ******ed dip sh*ts who know f*ck all about boxing and glass jaws.
     
  12. Bodysnatcher

    Bodysnatcher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  13. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That may be a fair point. Maybe he was overhyped as a puncher but I did consider him a hard hitter. He never showed a lack of power, I don't think.
     
  14. Geoffers

    Geoffers Active Member Full Member

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    So, until Haye is stupid enough to let a big heavy man hit him in the face he's never going to pass this test and show us what his chin's like.

    Isn't it to his credit that he doesn't let big heavy men punch him in the face whilst, at the same time, punching them in the face hard enough to make them do the chicken dance? I thought that was what boxing was for.
     
  15. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Oh yeah, he certainly isn't (or wasn't) feather fisted.

    But the hype was definitely clouding a lot of people's judgment - including mine to some degree.

    I can't really remember the split on here for the Haye fight, but would be surprised if less than 40% picked Enzo.

    The only time I recall him showing a lack of power was against Afolabi..... but it's probably fair to say that he was shot by then - and Ola did a good job of covering himself up and rolling with the punches.