Haye's cut in sparring changed heavyweight boxing forrver

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  1. smithshaun

    smithshaun Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Just want to get people's thoughts on this as I have recently been thinking about this alot .

    When haye got cut in sparring a week before the fury fight I think had the fight gone ahead Fury's career could have been so different.

    Firstly haye was in his prime at the time and back then I do think he maybe would have beat fury which means that fury would never have got the wlad fight and probably would have retired by now or ......

    Fury would have won become hugely popular with the British public wouldn't of had his issues beat wlad and would now have been undisputed heavyweight champion for the last 4 years most probably under the matchroom banner!

    That cut a help or hindrance to Fury's career???
     
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  2. Double J

    Double J Member Full Member

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    Hindarance, Haye took 12 months off fury’s career and I’m a Haye fan.

    Haye was getting beat up in sparring, the first cut was a cover up for me. When Haye signed to fight Fury it was the beginning of the end for him, he weren’t the fighter he once was.

    That said, at the time, i ridiculed this fight and thought Haye was just after a quick quid the same as the Audley fight.
    My opinion changed in time/
     
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  3. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Fury was seen as a joke back then and most had Haye knocking his head off.
     
  4. Jurgen

    Jurgen Pay Per Pudding Advisor banned Full Member

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    Haye knew he was finished with career ending injuries at the time, hence the 'cut' pull out.

    Fury fought Wlad at the most optimum time to give him the best opportunity to win - Fury was at his peak and Wlad started to decline. The Wlad that demolished PED Povetkin was much more capable of destroying Fury.

    If Fury beats Wilder he will become very popular with the British Public.
     
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  5. smithshaun

    smithshaun Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly and if fury would have lost remembering he was very young at the time he may never have bothered to carry on and what a bloody shame that would have been because he is now a joy to watch
     
  6. Twentyman

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    I agree with @Jurgen unfortunately for Haye, he was finished at that point. Far too many injuries, particularly the career ending shoulder injury that was brushed under the carpet for the first Bellew fight years later.

    There is absolutely no way whatsoever that Haye could have beaten Fury with two arms, nevermind one (which was all he had). I liked Haye but let’s no rewrite history...he was sadly finished by that point.
     
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  7. impacted

    impacted Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Haye most certainly was not at his peak at the time the fights against Fury were scheduled, he proved that in the two humiliating losses against European level ,0-2 at world level cum PPV superstar Tony Bellew. Fury would have done serious damage to Haye in 2013. At any time Haye would have suffered against a 6'9 man with the fast hands, punch variety, punch resistance and natural ability of Tyson Fury. The whole nonsense was a major neagative to the career of Fury. Good business by Haye and Adam Booth though.
     
  8. notjustacasual

    notjustacasual Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    How shot was Haye in 2013? None of us know for sure.

    After seeing Fury laid flat out on his back vs featherfisted Steve "uss" cunningham I have to give Haye a reasonable shot.

    I can see it being very boring with fury herky jerking around and almost tripping over his own feet attempting an Ali shuffle, while Haye dances around the ring and twirls his hands like he's doing the macerena.
     
  9. Here's Johnny

    Here's Johnny Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did Haye have the injuries before the Chisora fight?
     
  10. Potwash

    Potwash The Real Untouchables Full Member

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    The Klitschko fight and bottling Fury twice is what made me loose respect for Haye.
     
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  11. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    His shoulder was ruined, so definitely shot.
     
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  12. EJC83

    EJC83 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury v McDermott 1 changed heavyweight boxing more than this did I think, just imagine the impact it would have had on Tyson's career had it been judged even remotely correctly. I'm a big fan of Fury, he's an education to watch and I've warmed to his weird and wonderful outbursts, he makes me feel alright about my rather loud wardrobe too, he lost that fight though.
     
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  13. Jurgen

    Jurgen Pay Per Pudding Advisor banned Full Member

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    We do know mate - he retired due to career ending injuries.

    The recent comeback was simply for a bag of PPV loot fighting Tony Dosh. His 'comeback fights' wearing the giant nappy made it obvious that he should stay away from any live Heavyweight so he ended up with 2 bags of PPV loot fighting Bellew.

    The PPV Mugths were reeled in big time for both fights - the scripted acting was a masterclass.
     
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  14. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury won the rematch comfortably. Other than an early eyesore loss on his record, it would have had a negligible impact on Fury’s career.

    He would be far from alone amongst heavyweight champions in having an early blemish.
     
  15. EJC83

    EJC83 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To pull it off twice was quite something, Haye was quite clearly absolutely shot the first time around so I have to say well done to Hearn for managing to make it happen again, insane when you think about it.
     
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