Haye's resume at HW, overrated?

It was until fairly recently.

Chisora is his best scalp at the weight, or tied with Valuev given the higher stakes in the latter (although the Chisora performance is far more commendable than what he did against Valuev)

Chisora & Valuev - two decent victories since moving up from CW where he was on a damn fine run after Thompson. Shame he gave it up (or couldn't make it anymore) as his legacy would be stronger if he stayed and continued to clean house. Oh well.

Knocking out 37 year old & destitute Barrett (living in his car at the time, I believe - certainly not training properly nor motivated with a lot of self-belief around then) is a nothing result as far as I'm concerned - as is battering 38 year old Ruiz and chasing off an unwilling 39 year old Harrison.

None of those mean anything. They may as well be NC's on his record or not even listed.

I consider him a three-fight novice at HW, 2-1 (1) and 1-1 in world HW title challenges.

 

Some will claim that version of Barrett wasn't so bad, since he later went on to go 1-0-1 in his series with Tua...but do some research on what Monte Barrett's life was like around 2007-2009. Financial troubles, inconsistency in the ring (stopped in an intended comeback showcase by Cliff freaking Couser, though he did avenge it, then proved the faster gunslinger in a shootout with Fields, no great shakes, and then looked terribly lost and listless wandering into his beatings at the hands of Haye and then Solis. Getting outboxed by Ustinov is a bad look, too...)

By the first Tua clash he was a bit more fired up and had sorted things out in his personal life and regained some hunger. Of course, this second wind peaked with his rematch triumph as he got blown away last year by Cameron and is probably done for good with the last of what he still had left expended in the 24 rounds with Tua. (which, incidentally, sandwich a draw with sub-.500 Charles Davis)

 

Yes, hugely.

 

everything ib said...

plus im not to fond of his cw resume either tbh but ill not get into it

 

It's ****. Cherry picking at its finest

 

I've been saying this for a long time. It says it all that his second best win is Chisora who was coming off several losses.

 

Really? Other than being cut short, he was putting a nice body of work together.

Before Thompson it was pretty thin - noteworthy being Mock and that's about it. Afterwards, though, he carved out a name for himself in great form on the road to his Euro belt (highlighted by the knockout of former contender Kelly and ) and during that reign (highlighted by his fan-pleasing trouncing of legitimate tough nut and then-undefeated Fragomeni...with a nod to underrated Johansen, who had been climbing the European ranks and recently handed two Czech fellow prospects their first losses. Admittedly, he stunk out the joint against Ismail Abdoul between Johansen and Frag...).

Granted, it would have been ideal for him to meet Bell and/or Adamek during that period, but lifting Mormeck's titles and defending against Maccarinelli (back when neither of them were yet joke opponents) makes for a respectable, if brief, rest on the cruiser mountaintop.

 

Not overrated, only ridicolous. Not so ridicolous like his hype though.

There is a reason he don't fight .. he's a businessman .. he would lose against everybody of the Top 20 but he want's to stay in the business. Even prospects would win against him. Abdusalamov would murder Haye.

Everyone from the Top 20 except Takam and Pianeta would win against him .. and some who are not ranked in the Top 20 of boxrec.

Fury knocks this guy out and the hype will finally end .. for those ones, who didn't learn from the Wlad fight.

 

Arguably best.

Take away the WBA title and running circles around Valuev with nothing but a pot-shot or two per round for 11.5 rounds suddenly doesn't appear quite the accomplishment that hammering Chisora does.

 

David Haye is very good i think he will beat Fury but i wouldn't be surprised if Fury wins.

 

look at the ages of Haye's opponents at Heavyweight when he fought them. Speaks volumes........

 

I agree that Valuev wasn't a great champ and that the fight wasn't much either - but at least the big russian was a legit top 10 opponent when they fought (weak top 10, though). If Haye beats Fury, it can be argued that this is his best HW scalp.

 

Going by rankings and record (and of course possessing the strap) yeah Valuev is the more glittering - but h2h Chisora is a bit underrated and was probably a tougher obstacle than a Valuev beginning to look even slower than in his "youth".

Take away the bad scoring in his "loss" to Helenius, and both his record and ranking when he met Haye might look different.

He would be 16-2 instead of 15-3...and maybe he wouldn't have even landed the Vitali Klitschko date without the notoriety from the Helenius decision. (ironically, getting the nod against Helenius might have left him with higher to climb to a title shot than arousing everyone's sympathy and thereby raising his profile with the unpopular verdict). So it very well could have been that going in against Haye instead of three losses he would have only had the one to Fury, and that on what most agree was his worst night.

A change as minor as judges scoring a bout correctly really can impact perceptions. :yep

 

Overrated? I didn't see anyone else daring to get in the ring with Valuev....