Haymon and PBC in trouble?

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  1. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    If you don't get it, that's PPV (about $50 per viewer), in which 300.000x50=$15.000.000 revenue.
    Or 800.000 on a subscription channel, where people pay a monthly fee to watch the channel itself.

    That's very different from having to buy airtime on a free to air channel and then having to make the money back by gate revenue and selling commercial blocks.

    If you don't understand the difference, then it's no use.
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So you complained about the number of viewers, I brought up the millions of new viewers ... and you switch the discussion to money.

    :hi:

    If more people are going to buy PPVs, they have to know who the new fighters are. You put the new fighters on regular TV, millions see them, later, you can get more to buy the bigger PPVs.

    See the 150,000 who recently bought the Golovkin-Lemieux PPV as Exhibit A (of what not to do).

    If YOU don't see that, there's no use. :good
     
  3. Bollywooden

    Bollywooden Boxing Addict Full Member

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  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who's raving? How much higher were NCIS's ratings when only a few hundred thousand watched fights on Showtime?

    The number of people watching boxing has gone up dramatically. Millions are watching instead of hundreds of thousands.

    So it's not beating weekly TV shows that have been on for years ... who the f*ck cares.

    They weren't beating them before, either. It's not like they were getting 10 million viewers watching boxing a few years ago on Showtime, and now they're getting 2 million or 3 million.

    They were getting a couple hundred thousand ... and not even showing up on the ratings at all.

    What don't you freaking get about this?

    You want every boxing event to be the top viewed show of the night or it's a train wreck.

    When was the last time boxing was the top viewed show on any night in your lifetime?:hi:
     
  5. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    The discussion was ALWAYS about money!
    Get with the thread man

    You need much and much more viewers on free tv as you need on subscription channels or PPV. That's why this doesn't work if you overpay your fighters.

    Why am I even explaning this?
     
  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When they decide to start putting these guys on PPV, it'll be clearer to you.

    For example, about 7 million people total in the U.S. alone watched Danny Garcia's last three fights. (And I'm sure more tuned in outside the U.S., considering the number of people complaining about Sergio Mora's commentary on the international feed.)

    A little more than 2 million combined watched Golovkin's last three fights live in the U.S.

    7 million total viewers in the U.S. compared to 2 million? Which would you rather have?

    Exposing these guys on PBC to a wider audience will pay off much moreso than the situation they were in before. This is a two-year experiment to try to boost boxing's exposure and give it a wider audience.

    Nearly all these PBC guys were fighting on Showtime previously. They weren't on PPV. They weren't being seen by millions a night.

    If the investors are willing to put up money now to expose these guys, in order to reap the rewards later ... sounds like they're thinking long term.

    Golovkin should sign with PBC. I'm sure he'd get much more exposure on the other side.
     
  7. IsaL

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    Which Haymon fighter will save PBC by becoming a successful PPV fighter?
     
  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didn't know it needed saving. Which boxing outfit is beating it, and getting more ratings, and cleaning up in PPVs?
     
  9. Dubblechin

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    Pacquaio's last PPV - without Mayweather (PBC) - was 350,000 buys with Algieri.

    Golovkin's last PPV - against Lemieux - was 150,000 buys.

    Who is the PPV star on the other side of the aisle?

    By the time these PBC guys are featured on PPVs, I'm sure they'll do just fine compared to the competition.
     
  10. IsaL

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    You do realize that boxing is a business? A business' main goal is to generate profits. It needs saving, and it needs it fast. It needs a cash cow, and it needs a new business model that involves higher ratings to sustain expenses.
     
  11. thesmokingm

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    Premier Boxing Champions (FOX) (8-10 p.m.) 0.7/3 2.24
    NCIS: Los Angeles (CBS) – R 0.6/2 4.85
    U.S. Figure Skating Championships (NBC) (8-11 p.m.) 0.6/2 3.69
    NBA Countdown (ABC) 0.6/2 2.49

    PBC got killed at 8pm. More ppl watched the NBA pre-game/countdown. Lmao, the pre ****ing game, more viewers would rather watch that than PBC. Talk about hemorrhagic fevers, PBC is on fire! Advertisers want to buy time on FOX at 8pm like they want a case of ebola. NCIS spin off number 25 re-run lol, now there's a thoroughbred.
     
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  13. Bulawayo

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    That's better than Estrella TV..
    Golden Boy's new home.:lol:
     
  14. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When did Boxing ever WIN a Saturday night time slot in your memory?

    Again, how many people watch boxing when it's on Showtime or HBO a year or two ago? Half as many? A third as many?

    Double and sometimes triple the people are watching boxing now more than were watching two years ago.

    It's not like FEWER people are watching boxing.

    Wow, viewership is up 200% or 300% over what we had in 2013 and 2014.

    So terrible. :roll:

    The numbers are doubling and tripling, thanks to PBC.

    Bo
     
  15. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, GBP is hitting their target demographic and they are probably not paying stupid dump trucks worth of money to hit their target. Baby steps yea...