Haymon and PBC in trouble?

That's what he's trying to do. The Garcia ratings were a step in the right direction, but overall, PBC ratings are trending down vs their comps last year. That's what drove the writedown for W&R's investment value.

Al needs to keep delivering ratings like that to show the bleeding's stopped before he runs out of OPM- other people's money. He's going to get paid regardless, but if he doesn't turn it around, it's going to be a landmine for the sport. I don't think fans appreciate how ugly it's going to be for TV boxing if this blows up.

Fighters like Garcia, Wilder, and Thurman need to start being transitioned to PPV sooner rather than later. It's a tricky landscape to navigate- he's got to risk wrecking their PPV prospects by putting them in a dangerous fight on the networks before fans will pay for that jump because those guys aren't quite there yet.

 

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With the success HBO and Showtime have had with their original series' ... boxing will be lucky if it isn't dropped completely within the next couple years.

They only have boxing to add subscribers. And Golovkin isn't drawing fans and adding subscriptions like Tyson and De La Hoya and Mayweather and Pacquiao did. The original series' are drawing in the new subscribers.

That's clear as day.

 

The low ratings were because of College football.

Al will be fine.

 

PBC trended down in the summer (when all TV ratings trend down) and when the NFL season kicked off.

If you recall, ESPN Friday Night Fights quit airing boxing when the NFL season began, too.

Why is it starting to pick back up? Because there's less on. The PBC ratings will probably increase in the Spring.

Haymon just needs to do a better job of picking dates for fights.

Don't go head-to-head against NFL playoff games. Don't go head-to-head against the NBA on national television (like they did last Saturday, even though the numbers were fine). He can probably lose Spike and Bounce and whatever other odd channel he's airing boxing on.

And if the audience for boxing in 2016 on network TV is 2 million or 3 million ... then that's the audience.

3 million is better than a couple hundred thousand on a channel that killed your audience and now is probably going to dump you in favor of their next new original series anyway.

 

Of course Al will be fine. That's what I said, numbnuts

He's getting paid whether PBC goes under or not. The point is, I don't think people rooting for PBC's downfall realize what a mess is on boxing's hands if it fails.

 

HBO slashed it's boxing budget..and will have to slash some more to off-set the Golovkin ppv debacle.

If they don't swallow their pride and work with Haymon fighters,HBO boxing will be the ones to go under.

I can image what non-Haymon fighters must be thinking when they see a Bantamweight like Leo Santa Cruz living like a Maharajah while they are just s****ing by.

 

And college football. Correct. If there's a big college football game on national television, don't air opposite it. You want that audience.

In fact, if there's a big college football game scheduled for a late afternoon, buy they time after that and grab as much audience from that game as you can.

Boxing can't compete with the mainstream sports because it isn't a mainstream sport anymore. It needs new eyes.

 

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it needs primetime big fights on your version of free tv to rebuild its fanbase.

does not happen in the uk anymore either

in germany it does and they get huge numbers and the boxers huge exposure and fame and money

 

Jesus delivering the sermon on the mount would get wiped-out by College football.

 

Some of these mistakes are so amateur hour, you wonder how they got made in the first place. Moving Wilder forward only 1 week would've eliminated having any NFL playoff conflict. They knew that schedule long ago, because the NFL always schedules conference championships on Sunday only. That time block is more expensive, but if you really want your product seen, those are the ones to buy.

The best move he can make is to develop a more regular schedule with sensible fights that aren't against ratings juggernauts. That will also make it easier to attract more regular, better sponsors.

The ingredients are there for this to be a success, and TV boxing needs it to be because the game changed (and in a dangerous way). Good luck convincing network execs to pay for something in the future they're now getting paid to show now. PBC has a unique opportunity in front of them and can't screw up executing the recipe.

As you were hinting at, it's no secret that boxing budgets have been slashed to a mere fraction of what they were just 10-15 years ago on the premium networks. If PBC fails, it's going to be ugly for fighters, and for fans. Get ready to see more fringe/bad PPV fights made so fans can subsidize the matchups the networks can't afford to pay for.

 

Who in the F@#$ would buy a PPV because Danny Garcia is headlining? And Thurman? You think him beating Porter will make him into a PPV star for next year?? atsch

 

You're just a GG **** rider plain and simple. Nobody wanted GG's ppv to flop and it did terribly. Nobody wants to see PBC fail, at least not boxing fans. Nobody wants to see TR or GBP fail. We all want cheaper prices and regular TV fights and no ppv. All the above is a smoke screen from you, you idiot **** rider and your ****en complex agenda when it comes to GG and that's why nobody respects you.

 

WTF is this? Why are you posting ratings when you don't understand **** about them? For advertisers the first number, ie the 18-49 rating is the one that's the most important to networks. That determines the ad buy price. Instead you just made the opposite argument since PBC had better ratings. You can't be this stupid. Go back and cherry pick some other ratings now that you know.

 

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