hbo dumps klitchko bro?

class... pure class

you ****ing haters cant have a conversation without personal attacks

like I said.. read the article.... HBO cutting out en entire division... thats what i dont like... stop making it a Klitschko thing

 

Bert Sugar gets my respect, but at the same time, I really wouldn't mind punching him in his face. Maybe I'm bi-polar, I dunno.

 

The HW divisions blows. Arreola was there big investment but he was a bust.

HBO is interested in Adamek-Haye, Haye vs Klit, Adamek vs Klit, etc. But anything other than that is over from them. The HW has no luster outside that, and hardly any depth.

If somehow a fighter arises in the HW division, preferably out of America that's another way to get HW fights back on HBO.

Boycotting HBO is not the answer. That's like boycotting boxing.

 

More like a whiff.

 

I was just kidding lighten up.

What fights at HW would captive American audiences? The HW division is in an awful state. Haye vs Wlad or Adamek are the only players that matter. These fights would get picked up, though I bet. Other than that... what exactly are we messing. Arreola knocking over Minto? Vitali fighting a guy ranked somewhere outside the top 40?

You are the one that said they treated the Klitschko's bad. Now you want to make it an HBO thing. You know they'd offer something for a Haye and Wlad fight. What has Wlad done to be exciting? He's painfully conservative.

 

I guess I'm crazy for thinking that the Klitschko's aren't nearly as boring as some people say they are. I also happen to love Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, so it's not like I haven't seen exciting heavyweights.

 

just canceled my HBO subscription as well. I have absolutely zero interest in the likes of Bradley vs. Abregu or Alexander vs. Kotelnik.

 

Greenberg and the other "yes man",Kerry Davis in the boxing dept. at HBO have to go.HBO has never been the same since DiBella left the ivory tower.
I used to be big HBO supporter,but no longer.**** them and go Showtime!:good

 

Why the surprise?

Unlike the multitude of posts from the same ESB nitwits, some have been stating the hard but obvious truth for a long while.

When the US has more exceptionally skilled large sized athletes than ever before few here have any interest in watching two average athletes who are merely better conditioned and almost always larger than the rest of the "C" level athletes that they rule in a completely untalented heavyweight division.

Some of you need to stop reading what a handful of disgruntled farmers and career limited hillbillies want to tell you about athletic competition in the US or some completely misguided observers suggest about "gangsters" and US "mentality" - as if they have any idea. lol

When old great fighters never have to retire (and so many keep making comebacks) that alone demonstrates that ZERO young talent is pursuing the sport. [Just count the number of old US heavyweights that have remained in the sport and/or made various comebacks over the past ten to fifteen years]

When so many cruiserweights (and smaller) can make the transition to heavyweight in a time when the earth has MORE large sized athletes than ever before that indicates that ZERO young and exceptional talent is pursuing the sport.


This country applauds and lauds great sport entertainment and athletic talent wherever it originates, wherever it performs, in whoever can produce it. For those that follow another niche sport like track and field, the 100M has long been a US dominated race. Usain Bolt arrives and quickly shatters all comp and there is no argument or doubt he is a superstar. His performances are UNDENIABLY exceptional and extraordinary. It doesn't matter that he is from Jamaica. It is the talent and performance that counts. On the other hand, if some Russian or European or Asian, etc., etc. comes on the scene some day and starts punching out 9.4 100s and 18.9 200s he won't be ignored due to his country of origin. That will be irrelevant - just as it is today.

But, only a really mediocre athlete or really horrible non-athlete could watch the brothers and the entire division in the aggregate and not conclude that they are simply unexceptional at best. No one over here thinks any of the bums they are competing against (INCLUDING ALL of the US HEAVYWEIGHTS) are anything above "C" level athletes. In fact, the last decent heavyweight fighter (Holyfield) is an old man that would have been quickly retired in the ring if any YOUNG exceptional athletes were interested in the sport and pursuing it since youth. Does anyone need any more evidence about US youth interest in boxing than to know that Ruiz has remained in the sport this long and that a lousy mediocre athlete like Arreola even has a career? That would make sense in some places perhaps -- but not in the US where you can find far better athletic talent EVERYWHERE to develop.

As long as an education and/or a subsidy is provided by the 3 big sports (in the form of the mega athletic business of collegiate/university system sports as a virtual pro "minor league") it will remain a structural impediment to all the other sports. The very best compete over their youth against the very best. The elite move from youth competition to top university programs and eventually to the pros. Those that fail enter the work force. There is no available subsidy to switch sports at that point.

The difference between extraordinary and good can be a matter of a few hundredths of a second of speed, quickness, or reaction time. The optimal time to learn sports (or most anything) begins when the individual is young. Boxing has been on a long, long gradual decline over here and that INCLUDES the 90s (and as a trend - even earlier).

Guys like Tyson, Holyfield, and Bowe were champions. But their careers were in spite of the systematic decline of interest and opportunity in professional boxing (and the corresponding explosion of growth in participation numbers, media attention, and economic importance to the educational system as a source of funds in the three major sports). There should have been at least a couple dozen guys at their level EASILY because there are and were simply enough SUPERB mega sized athletes over here (a reflection of population growth, economics, and standard of living improvements relative to earlier eras).

Heavyweight boxing in particular has suffered from a lack of participation. Making a few million sitting on the bench in the pros in the big 3 sports is far better than committing one's youth to pursuing a sport where you get punched in the face if you are not the absolute best, that none of your peers care about, won't get you an education (your parents also won't or can't support or encourage as a career endeavor as they normally can't provide you an education either), and that isn't doing well so that the odds of making large dollars - even if skilled or talented - is long - and thus the future is both daunting and uncertain.

When a country's youth have no interest in a sport and a subsidy to pursue it is not provided or offered - it declines. BHOP & RJJ were great fighters and Mayweather today is a great fighter. But there should have been a dozen of each of them. The US has that kind of athletic talent. They could and should have been pushed by comparable athletic talent because it exists. They weren't one of kind - by no means or any type of definition. If anyone doubts that then you have never been in a combine, a training camp, or watched athletes in top sport programs at major universities or in the pros up close.


An abundance of ignorant internet gimps post like the US has suddenly become devoid of any athletic potential. NO ONE IS BOXING. AS SUCH, the sport is almost dead over here and while possibly vibrant in other countries - most of the other countries don't seem to have any EXCEPTIONAL ATHLETIC talent - IF THEY DID or DO - then they also aren't boxing - because there is little outside of the little guys that make any kind of favorable impression of extreme capability and talent.

Besides Manny Pacquiao (and a few even smaller fighters) there is almost nothing that impresses in the sport. Sorry to break it to you, but if you can watch slow footed, slow handed, limited but durable athletes and find that entertaining then we've got MMA now - which covers a lot of those same bases.

At the moment, Lennox Lewis remains the last great heavyweight to have been champion. He actually combined a higher level of athletic talent with size. On his worst day, as an old man - as boxing is truly not an old man's game except in this one period where the sport is completely ignored by this country's youth - he still hammered a prime version of Vit into a bloody mess. He was slow, immobile, plodded, a pudgy near stationary version of his prior self, and in the end he simply walked forward throwing punches inside the comparatively less agile, less skilled, less athletic, less talented man's punches and turned his face into a car accident. Similarly, the less than exceptional Corrie Sanders did the same thing to Wladimir Klitschko in even more striking fashion.

The Klit Bros. are pretty dull and boring. The best part of their performance is that their comp is so terrible there is usually a good chance they might destroy their opponent. If boxing hadn't been in such decline, they undoubtedly would have been the victims (being less talented, athletic, and quick at the highest level) in some great brawls until their chins were finally cracked - which happens to any fighter that can't see or avoid the punches coming from a superior talent - and their careers shortened.

The brothers will be somewhat quickly forgotten (world wide - as they are already completely dismissed in the US - as HBO correctly recognizes) as this era will only be remembered as the "WAR YEARS" of boxing .. when all the able bodied men were off fighting REAL wars - against REAL talented athletes - in so many other sports.

The Klitschkos aren't to blame for the lack of talent in the heavyweight division. But, they were unable to rise above it the way a Usain Bolt was able to in his sport. Fan boys - especially foreign ones - can claim prejudice and bias on an ESB internet board until they grow into men. The truth is apparent - and it always has been - to those that are familiar with the world's existing talent - and nothing will change that. Being the best in a declining sport doesn't make you great. Similarly, fighting poor comp ala Calzaghe then beating a worn shot version of RJJ at the end of his career doesn't put you in his class. The video and/or those of us that were there to watch all the performances over many careers will always allow for an objective take on these athletes. The Klitschkos can never be Ali. Calzaghe could never be RJJ. They simply aren't or weren't good enough.

No mystery, no surprise.

 

Nobody's going to read all of that, no matter how brilliant it may or may not be. Nice av, though.

 

+1

 

Something for everyone ... no complaints, man.

 

Not really a big deal for me because the brothers have the money to organize any fight they want without HBO and if HBO shows their fights it would probably be delayed and most on here would just watch it live online.

 

Name an american at the top of any weighclass who knocks more people out than either brother......

quoted for truth

They don't throw dollar bills at the tv screen, beat women or speak indecipherable ebonics, we get it.

- Americans will root for anyone and hold no prejudice just so long as they're great athletes and aren't nationalistic, check

- The Klychko's get destroyed in any other era, check

- American football and basketball have dozens of would be HW champs, check.

Yes yes we've heard it all before. It's just a shame that you had to waste so much of your own time typing out your pitiful rationalizations as a bitter American. Just because you rambled on for several paragraphs reiterating the same points in 2 or 3 different ways doesn't make it any more compelling.

P.S. ( lol I actually had to edit several of your last paragraphs out because quoting your bull**** actually exceeded the characters limit)

 

The Klitschkos beat pretty much any other era in my view head to head. Their achievements aren't as poignant because there are two of them, but even so. They're just mammothly sized, gifted athletes who know how to box, unlike the Carneras of the past.