HBO has something in the works ...

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  1. Former Dawg

    Former Dawg Active Member Full Member

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    Why do oyu guys keep bringing Pavlik up ? He does not even compete in the SMW division. Give one reason why the winner of the tourney should not be considered the top SMW.
     
  2. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    1. Bute
    2. Stiegletz

    OK. 2 isn't very compelling. Bute is a VERY good reason though.

    Why bring up Pavlik? Started with JC calling him out the day Kelly won his titles.
     
  3. Former Dawg

    Former Dawg Active Member Full Member

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    Ok I will give you Bute but whoever wins has just as a good a claim to being the man as he does.
     
  4. fitzgeraldz

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    Should Pavlik lose to Williams, I can see him being matched up with one of the ousted fighters of the super six tournament in his super middleweight debut or he can fight the winner of Bute vs Andrade winner. Williams with a win over Pavlik isn't moving anywhere, he can probably push for one of those welterweight guys to come up and fight him in some big fights.

    Who's the new WBO champion with? who's his promoter?
     
  5. fitzgeraldz

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    I don't think that there can be an undisputed super middleweight champion without Bute in the mix.

    I think it was ridiculous to keep Bute and Pavlik out of the mix ... **** a Pavlik vs Froch fight would be great ... and Bute vs Kessler fight would've been great ... and a Taylor vs Pavlik third fight would be awesome.
     
  6. fitzgeraldz

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    Let him know something ... a nice chunk of Pavlik's career was at 168 and above ... the added weight was nothing ... those guys can barely make 160 ... especially considering their training regimine. The problem isn't the weight ... he just got too comfortable with knocking guys out and lost his knack for boxing.
     
  7. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Does anyone know if any of the super 6 guys have an option to drop out of the tournament at any time if they wish ?

    Lets say a guy gets knocked out in his first 2 fights and wants to call it a day, what's the agreement on that ?
     
  8. fitzgeraldz

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    Great question ... pasky ... you should start a thread about it!!

    I wanna know too
     
  9. Former Dawg

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    I know they have alternates in case some one drops out or gets injured. Allen Green and Sakio Bika are two of the alternates.
     
  10. untmike

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    :patsch:patsch
     
  11. fitzgeraldz

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    Well I can seriously see someone bailing out on the tourney if they got a championship ... (especially the young guys)

    I can see them bailing for bigger bucks against other fighters ... because I know that Kessler, Taylor, and Abraham can make money fighting against other fighters in their native country than they would make in the tournament. They also would just have to have a title to boost their marketability.
     
  12. Hermit

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    I never thought of Pavlik losing to Williams, but good point. He would have a rematch with Williams. That is in the contract. A second loss and I'm not sure what he would do. It will take a while to get tourney drop outs, but he first two guys out will pretty much be damaged goods. Ward and Dirrell are young enough to recover. The rest? Not so much. Of course two losses to Williams and I'm not sure Pavlik would have many options anyhow. Overall, nice thinking ahead though even if I don't want to think of the possibility. :lol:
     
  13. Hermit

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    Let's say they go in for a guy with two losses. How are they inserted? Even a KO might be enough for them to advance. I guess it would be for the money and exposure then....
     
  14. The Mighty One

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  15. fitzgeraldz

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    1-1= a trilogy, possibly PPV, and no need for a super middleweight debut. They don't have to have an immediate rematch do they? ... I'm wondering because in some cases the fight doesn't have to be for the title, it could be at a higher weight class like his second fight with Jermain Taylor ... if thats the case then win or lose he should move on ... IMO Kelly has nothing to prove at all at middleweight ... despite him only having 2 title defenses ... his reign doesn't really matter now that he's made a name for himself. Williams himself said that he can fight comfortably at 168 ... why not create some room for Pavlik just in the case of an L and give him a shot at redemption on his way to moving on. In addition to that, if they don't force the rematch immediately they can build up some anticipation _ given Pavlik goes on to win a super middleweight title.