HBO to Abraham: Step up to 168 and fight Miranda...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Tom_Tocca, Aug 20, 2007.


  1. Grabonator

    Grabonator Active Member Full Member

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    Abraham is a BIG middleweight, believe me!! At fight night he weighs about 170 pounds. Miranda, Abraham, pavlick and Taylor are all verry big middleweight and all have to move up some day.
     
  2. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah i agree abraham is a heavily built MW and could easily move north to 168. infact he should join miranda, taylor and maybe pavlik in the future up there to make 168 the deepest division.
     
  3. marauder1999

    marauder1999 Champion Full Member

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    Miranda doesnt deserve the shot. This is exactly the reason why boxing gets a bad rap sometimes from fans.
     
  4. Artani

    Artani Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I have another news that Abraham will fight next fight in the USA and same Sturm will fight in the USA if he wins with Griffin. The fight betwen Abraham and Sturm can happen in the next summer in the Germany and HBO is interesting to give this match up and to continue with winner of them .
    This i heard exactly from Felix Sturm.
     
  5. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Other than TKOing Abraham in the 5th round in their first fight :nut

    They're not asking for the fight because he deserves a shot, they're asking for it because they're drama behind it (AA knocking the snot out of the guy who broke his jaw) and because Miranda has name recognition in the US, something the other middleweight contenders don't have. AA handed Miranda's ass to him in the first fight (other than the minute long delay that should have been either a TKO or no delay outside of horrible refereeing), so I don't see how an extra 8 pounds makes a huge difference.
     
  6. Tom_Tocca

    Tom_Tocca The Provider Full Member

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    Hey Artani, sounds like wishful thinking by Sturm - but who knows about HBOs plans except HBO...
     
  7. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    A shot at what exactly? Abraham holds a belt. But he is not the champion. In the end he is still just a contender towards Taylor's belt.
     
  8. Grabonator

    Grabonator Active Member Full Member

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    First of all Miranda will fight at 168 on late Oktober, i hope he fights something decent. Abraham should stay at middleweight for another year and at least win another belt at middleweight and after that move up too. I hope Pavlick wins against Taylor, cause Pavlick wants to stay at middleweight for a few fights as well so Abraham could fight him and the winner of this would be a huge star since Pavlick already had beaten Taylor.
     
  9. Tom_Tocca

    Tom_Tocca The Provider Full Member

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    And even a belt wouldn't be at the line - AA is a belt holder at 160.
     
  10. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    From what I'd read, HBO's commitment to the fight is what ultimately made it happen, as well as the time placement at such an odd hour in Wales (to match up with primetime USA TV). I think I read somewhere too that the agreement hadn't been formalized but was agreed upon in principle, with the parties still haggling over minor particulars.

    Very well could be wrong, though.
     
  11. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Abraham has no chance of becoming an international superstar if he stays in Germany.

    HBO wants him to take on a marquee fight to set up a showdown against the Taylor/Pavlik winner, and who better than Miranda to do that against? Sturm hasn't been a willing playmate with HBO (turning down a Taylor fight), and who else is out there with any name recognition at all?
     
  12. sonny73

    sonny73 Active Member Full Member

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    yeah but why ask for it to be at 168?.Its just the money men trying to get the odds in favour of their cash cow as much as possible,same thing happened to Hatton when he wanted to fight in the States.If they win then they probably get like 90% of revenue for his future bouts
     
  13. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    If HBO is really demanding him move up in weight then its terrible. He doesn't have to do ****. Let him be.
     
  14. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    I'd also prefer him to be able to stay at 160, and I agree he might be compromised moving up. But Miranda can't make 160 anymore (or so he says), and the gravitational pull of the division is moving up, anyway.

    I wouldn't blame Abraham for refusing to move up, but the point is that HBO is trying to invest in him, and he's going to have to prove himself in a good fight first, before they offer up a huge sum for a fight against the undisputed champion.

    Unfortunately, there's no one presently at 160 for AA to fight who offers much interest for HBO.
     
  15. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    You are correct. He doesn't have to take their money. He can continue to fight in Germany, or he can wait a bit longer and see what shakes loose. As long as he keeps winning, he'll eventually get his break.

    On the other hand, he takes money out of his own pocket by rejecting HBO's overtures. You can make an argument either way, most of it boiling down to how much and how quickly AA wants to be a PfP great, how quickly he wants the big cash, what he's willing to risk (with either decision), and how long he wants to fight.