HBO to air Top Rank's Chavez Jr. vs Zbik in far away Cancun

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  1. el mosquito

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    [url]http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blog/_/name/rafael_dan/id/6151018/zbik-approved-chavez-not-martinez[/url]

    It's no secret the relationship between HBO and Top Rank's Bob Arum is on the rocks in the wake of Arum's taking the May 7 Manny Pacquiao-Shane Mosley pay-per-view fight to Showtime last month. Both sides acknowledge it. It's as obvious as the sun and the moon.


    It's only a one-fight deal and HBO executives are hopeful that Arum will come back, although that may be wishful thinking if the fight is a huge success. And it probably will be, given the fact that Pacquiao is a mega-star and that CBS -- Showtime's sister company -- will be heavily involved in the marketing and promoting of the event.


    But HBO remains hopeful, which is why it is doing whatever it can to appease Arum. When Arum made the deal with Showtime, HBO did not try to retaliate. It vowed not to counter-program the pay-per-view with a network fight. It went through with putting on Arum's card last week, the one headlined by Nonito Donaire's massive second-round knockout of Fernando Montiel in a star-making performance that earned Donaire a pair of bantamweight belts.


    And HBO still finalized a deal to put on a Top Rank card March 26 in Atlantic City, N.J., where featherweight titlist Yuriorkis Gamboa will headline in a defense against Jorge Solis. Those were all wise decisions. But now it gets a little goofy.


    Last week, HBO Sports' top three executives -- Ross Greenburg, Kery Davis and Mark Taffet -- came to Las Vegas for Donaire-Montiel. It's unheard of for all three of them to attend a "Boxing After Dark" card -- the network's B series -- especially one located across the country from their New York base.


    The network did host a screening of it's new (and outstanding, by the way) documentary "Runnin' Rebels of UNLV," which premiers March 12. Still, it was highly unusual for all three executives to attend.


    But they are in damage-control mode, and everyone -- especially Arum -- knows it. According to sources, the three executives, Arum and Todd duBoef (Top Rank's president and Arum's stepson) had dinner after the film in an effort to clear the air. During the dinner, I am told, HBO offered a June 4 date to Top Rank for Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., a mandatory challenger, to face middleweight titlist Sebastian Zbik -- even agreeing to go to Cancun, Mexico, where production would be far more costly than if the fight were held in the United States and where there are also security concerns.


    Given how desperate HBO is to find its way back into Arum's good graces, I guess it's no surprise that it would offer him dates in an effort to make nice. However, HBO's showing interest in buying this particular fight is fairly stunning.


    Previously, the network scoffed at putting Chavez on, despite Arum's best efforts. The reason was simple: Despite his famous last name, Chavez isn't very good. That could at least be overlooked because he does have a large fan base and typically makes entertaining fights. What can't be overlooked is the apparent double-standard at work.


    On March 12, HBO will air Sergio Martinez, the legitimate and lineal middleweight champion, against junior middleweight titlist Sergei Dzinziruk. Zbik had been an interim titleholder and Martinez's mandatory challenger, and Martinez, his promoter (Lou DiBella) and his adviser (Sampson Lewkowicz) wanted to fulfill the obligation to the WBC by fighting him.


    HBO said no. It refused to approve Zbik, an undefeated fighter whom I have ranked in the middleweight top 10. HBO instead gave Martinez one choice: Dzinziruk, mainly because, according to sources, it had promised his co-promoter, Gary Shaw, that Dzinziruk would be on the network as part of the deal it made with Shaw for the Jan. 29 fight between Timothy Bradley Jr. (Shaw's fighter) and Devon Alexander.


    Because HBO wouldn't approve Zbik as an opponent for Martinez, he was put in the position of having to face Dzinziruk if he wanted to make a living -- at the expense of his belt. He took the Dzinziruk fight and wound up being stripped as a direct result of HBO's decision. That move gave the belt to Zbik, who had his interim tag lifted. Now Chavez is his mandatory challenger.


    When I asked Greenburg a few weeks ago when we were in Pontiac, Mich., for Bradley-Alexander why he didn't approve Zbik to fight Martinez, he said that he had watched tapes of Zbik and described him as "terrible" and not worthy of being on HBO. Fair enough. It's his opinion. We all have them.


    But HBO suddenly changed its mind and accepted Zbik for Chavez because of the mess it is in over losing Pacquiao. That obviously doesn't sit well with Martinez, DiBella and Lewkowicz, and who could blame them? Now they have to watch HBO swoon over Arum and, contrary to its previous vow, agree to put a guy on the air whom it wouldn't let Martinez fight, thus costing him his belt.


    I have no problem with any network trying to buy the fight it wants and not buying a fight it doesn't want. But I do have a problem with such a clear double-standard.


    DiBella usually rants and raves at the drop of a hat when he's upset. His outbursts are legendary. But when he called me on Tuesday after he had heard that Zbik-Chavez was approved by HBO, he seemed to be in shock, beyond ranting and raving. He was absolutely seething.


    Perhaps HBO will patch things up with Top Rank, but it seems more problems lie ahead.
     
  2. ekar

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    Martinez fighting Zbik is not the same as Chavez fighting Zbik. martinez is a p4p guy. should have a higher level fights then chavez, who most people think he's just making money cause of his name.

    It like Marquez beating casa which his stock went up. If pacqauio was the one who beat him. He's a cherry picking ***** beating up an old man.
     
  3. FORMIDABLE

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    Well it's BS if you ask me. A top contender is a top contender. If they earned their ranking, they deserve their shot. If HBO pulled the same **** with an unknown Martinez he might still be unknown. They let Berto fight ****ing nobody Hernandez who was ranked outside the top 10, and now Ortiz who he is going to crush, while apparently not wanting the Aydin fight. HBO must stand for Hyped Boxers Only
     
  4. OPBF

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    Top contenders might be top contenders, but sometimes, they just don't pose a threat.

    Dzin poses more of a threat to Martinez than Zbik does.

    In the same way, the top contender, Zbik, is fighting another top contender in Jr. And Zbik is far more of a threat to Jr than he ever would be against Martinez. He's also the champion now as well.

    In all honesty, we get two better matchups than if HBO let Martinez fight Zbik.
     
  5. FORMIDABLE

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    You don't know that Zbik doesn't pose a real threat. In any case Zbik is now the champ without having to fight for it and will defend against Chavez Jr. I'd rather Martinez fight Zbik, then Dzinziruk or whoever in a non-mandatory, then Chavez Jr. Too many phoney champs and everyone involved in making fights are all too willing contributors to this now
     
  6. Doc (aka Meke)

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    the funny thing is that Felix Sturm said last night that the fight with Zbik in the summer is a real option, currently being discussed. let's see what happenes..
     
  7. cesare-borgia

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    I have the feeling chavez will win a controversial decision
     
  8. PH|LLA

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    who wrote that?

    First of all, it's stupid to act like HBO was doing Top Rank favours by pushing through with Donaire vs Montiel.

    Donaire vs Montiel is the best matchups HBO has had on Boxing After Dark in.... well forever. And add Mike Jones vs Jesus Soto Karass on the undercard and that gives you a Boxing After Dark show that is better than any World Championship Boxing show that I can remember, and about 10 times cheaper for HBO. Bob Arum was doing a favour to HBO by letting them move forward with the Donaire-Montiel card, and they owe him double for it.

    Then you say Chavez is not very good. He looked pretty good against John Duddy, therefore he's earned a place on HBO, at the very leat Boxing After Dark. HBO has had much worse fighters than Chavez Jr headlining their shows. Chavez vs Zbik is actually a pretty interesting fight where it's hard to pick a winner and where both fighters have alot to gain and alot to lose. Isn't that what Boxing After Dark is all about?
     
  9. nip102

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    who headlines a show and is worse then jr
     
  10. HitBattousai

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    HBO screwed Martinez over, and in such a way that it worked out perfectly for them. Chavez Jr gets to fight for the paper belt that HBO forced Martinez to drop against a feather-fisted, basic opponent that he'll have no trouble finding and HBO gets to show the fight. Regardless of how not very good Chavez Jr is, he does have a sizable following that will watch the fight to see if Chavez Jr can become a "world champion" and HBO gets to repair their relationship with Bob Arum a little.
     
  11. BoxKing

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    I don't see the problem here.

    If Martinez and JCC both win their respective fights, we would be looking at a blockbuster boxing event in JCC/Martinez sometime at the end of 2011 on HBO.

    I'm assuming this is what HBO wanted all along?
     
  12. Uncle Oden

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    apples to oranges. Martinez was lined up for WCB, much bigger budget than BAD. WCB is simply a more important show to HBO than BAD.
    HBO was correct to not pick up Martinez-Zbik, because that matchup should not even be considered for WCB. Dizzy is not a big name either, but he's accomplished more than Zbik and the eyeball test will show you that he's levels above Zbik.

    It is fine to put Chavez-Zbik on BAD, though. Lower budget for starters.
    While this fight would be for a belt, it really would be more about showcasing Chavez in hopes of putting him on a big PPV later in the year.
     
  13. drozzy

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    Yeah, you might be right. And well, Maravilla by KTFO. :D

    Just sucks for Lemieux. He's fighting a tougher Mexican in April for a shot at the belt, and won't get that shot against Junior... guessing he'd have to prepare for Martinez. Can't wait to see how he handles Rubio. :bbb

    JCC-Rubio would have been big in Mexico... anyone knows if there's been rumors in the past about this fight happening?
     
  14. ekar

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    Jr with a belt will generate more interest for the divsion. Arum will probably milk him after. sooner or later will put Jr with the big names like Pavilik. If jr gets by Pavlik, a unifcation with martinez should be big money. I would rather watch jr fight Cotto at 154.
     
  15. drozzy

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    Why are you talking about Pavlik here?! The man is making a comeback at 168 or 175.