he reality about sonny liston vs the imaginary big bad monster

No proof apart from every common opponent including Ron Lyle, Jimmy Young, Ken Norton and Muhammad Ali all going for Shavers. What would they know compared to you tho?

Facts?

Foreman 90-91? Oh dear.

 

Yeah Jimmy Young was interviewed many years ago and asked to rank the hardest hitters he ever faced in order. This is what he came up with.

1. Earnie Shavers
2. George Foreman
3. Gerry C00ney.

 

Very true Goo, Ali, Lyle and Norton all put Shavers at the top too. It's not rocket science when you have names of that quality unaminously endorsing Shavers.

He wasn't the greatest of fighters but boy could he whallop.

 

Liston is not an easy guy to figure out. Werpner, who fought Liston and Foreman, says that Liston was better. That doesn't really mean much. Things that make him an enigma are the fact that he was already past his prime in the two dubois Ali fights, Machen went the distance and was never hurt in that bout, Marty Marshall, a light heavy, beat him and his best wins, against Patterson, may well be all about styles. It's true that the matrix-like media creates what we perceive to be reality, to some extent, and not just about boxing.

 

Agreed. I'm not necessarily sold on the fact that he's the "undisputed" hardest puncher of all time as there have been so many, including quite a few big men who followed later on.. And power is a difficult thing to guage between fighters. But he certainly makes the upper echelon regardless of what one thinks of him.

 

People didn't awe at Liston because of his size. They were in awe because of his opponents reacted to his punches.

Even if the guys he fought we smaller, they shouldn't have been swinging around the ring from Listons punches the way they were.

Once people respected his power and boxing ability, then his physique became impressive. It's not like a 6 foot man with muscles was a novel idea in the 60's. Liston just had rediculous punches.

 

Very true. Wayne Bethea was about the same size as Liston when they fought and he was notoriously tough. Sonny handed him his only stoppage in 50 fights and did it in one round. Patterson was quite a bit smaller, but an ATG in his prime. We all know what happened. Gerard Zech was a very large man and decent fringe guy. Sonny despite being past it, beat him somewhat easily.

 

What would you pick prime sonny liston VS any version of david haye. Haye 215 pound or current 230 pound haye.

I Will pick sonny liston.

Or I must quit boxing, it's confusing me hahahaha.

 

Just Op looking for attention.

 

I'd say 212 was his optimum weight.

 

Join the club!:yep

 

"Machen went the distance and was never hurt".
He was also clearly beaten.