Head To Head Comaprisons - Please Clarify

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by bowerboy, Oct 27, 2012.


  1. bowerboy

    bowerboy Active Member Full Member

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    Actually that is an EXCELLENT point and may well contain the answer...fighting experience and how often they fought would be a huge factor.
     
  2. AZ_40

    AZ_40 Active Member Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
  3. Colonel Sanders

    Colonel Sanders Pounchin powar calculateur Full Member

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    a huge factor deciding what ? their inferiority ? :lol::lol:

    :patsch
     
  4. Colonel Sanders

    Colonel Sanders Pounchin powar calculateur Full Member

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    I believe the exact opposite.
     
  5. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    FM, he's right. There is regression today from some of the new posters...
    :patsch:patsch:patsch
     
  6. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I beg to differ...with modern nutrition and advanced technology the new posters must be superior to those who have been around for a while....I am excited that he has come to teach us the error of our ways..after all hes probably 15 y/o or so and likely knows more about boxing than most of us can even aspire to....he has already made some original and well reasoned posts!
     
  7. bowerboy

    bowerboy Active Member Full Member

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    I never mentioned anything about nutrition.

    It is this very simple fact:

    Style A was prevalent in the 20's and 30's until people worked out that by switching to style B you could consistently beat style A...so style B then prevails for a time until people realise that with some modifcations style C will always beat style B...so of course the game of boxing evolves and matures and everyone has to fight to the new style otherwise they dont keep up and are stylistically ound to lose...it is a natural evolution of the sport (or any sport).

    So dont worry classic afficionados, I am not saying Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano or Harry Greb or Battling Nelson or any on those guys are any less a legend than they are...but what I am definitely saying is that in a "time machine" head to head comparison those guys are destined to lose stylistically.

    It was really the question I was asking....surely when you think head to head you are must be thinking of that old time fighter in todays world?? Surely you need to "adjust for inflation" as it were??

    As I said I believe styles can only evolve so far and that styles pretty much leveled out in the late 1960's...I mean just look at Clay/Liston?? That was a passing of the torch from old style to new style and Clay was absolutely all over him in the first fight.

    I am 42 and grew up on a diet of Hagler, Hearns, Sanchez, Duran, Holmes, Whittaker and the rest and yearn for those days again..when top guys fought top guys.

    The fighting once a month argument could equally go both ways..loads more experience and more battle hardened but would take its toll...obviously the other extreme of fighting once a year is no good either.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    Ali to Liston was the changing of the guard in terms of styles :patsch :lol:

    Oh, my, just **** off. Your idiocy hurts to comprehend.
     
  9. bowerboy

    bowerboy Active Member Full Member

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    How so??
     
  10. bowerboy

    bowerboy Active Member Full Member

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    Clay you fool
     
  11. janitor

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  12. bowerboy

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  14. Absolutely!

    Absolutely! Fabulous, darling! Full Member

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    With heavyweight fights I don't think it's as big a problem. Still, certain ground rules should be laid down at the start of any fantasy fight and adhered by to all participants at all times:

    - the glove size used by both men

    - the number of rounds

    - the type of referee used

    - neutral corner or no neutral corner rule (only applicable to fights involving at least one pre-1920s fighter)

    and so on.

    All of these things should then be factored into the debate. If Tua knocked down Dempsey under old school rules, for example, then it's very unlikely that Dempsey would be able to weather that storm as he'd never be given an opportunity to. If a great inside fighter is fighting Wlad under modern rules, then would he be able to work without getting clinched up or broken by the ref? All of these things may seem minor, but they could have a massive effect on the outcome of the fight.
     
  15. Flea Man

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    Janitor is smashing this guy :lol:

    This is horrific.