What about PEDs? What effect, positive or negative, do you see them having on today's boxing landscape?
In general I believe the old timers had more heart, and had better stamina. They were also better at body punching, feinting, and in-fighting. I believe the modern generation has better training techniques, are better out-fighters, uses better nutrition / substances, and benefits from better medical care to heal injuries. Boxing changed over the decades, however if you are talking heavyweight the one thing a fighter is unlikely to change his bone length and structure. Smaller with skills can beat larger with moderate skills, but when the skill level is close to even, a significant height, reach, and weight advantage is difficult for the smaller fighter to overcome.
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Heart's very difficult to quantify, though you definitely don't see the sort of crazy wars as much as you used to, and it seems to me that fighters quit on their stools a lot more today. Where I will say older fighters are clearly superior is in work ethic. Whilst it wasn't unheard of to fight once or twice a year, it was a lot rarer. At heavyweight it would have been almost unthinkable for any top fighter to come into a title fight looking like a jiggling sack of spuds. This is considered quite common nowadays. The nutrition argument might hold water for the very, very top end of the sport, the Mayweathers and the Klitschkos etc, but there are numerous fighters who eat like absolute pigs between fights, and even sometimes before fights. Having the "nutritional advances" and actually using them are two different things. Too many fighters lack discipline in their preparation to stick to the sorts of rigid diets that would benefit them in this area. I wouldn't say modern fighters are trained better either. You train for what you are going to do in the ring. Old timers trained for fifteen round fights that would most likely be fought for a large degree on the inside. Modern day fighters train for twelve round fights where speed, timing, power and so on will be the main factors. The training's different, it's not necessarily better or worse. The sorts of skills an older fighter would concentrate on wouldn't necessarily ensure him the same degree of success today, and vice versa.
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Thanks for posting the videos of these hopelessly out dated boxing styles (with the exception of Willie Pep)..thank goodness someone else gets it
And SRR of course but he was the birth place of the modern era of fighting styles anyway..so good because he was ahead of his time
Yeah fair point..there arent that many great around today apart but I dont think styles have changed much since the 1980's and 199o so for argumants sake you could say I am referring to guys from that era.. For starters no ones shuffles round the ring dragging their right foot behind them...people stopped planting their feet and telegraphing shots...more upright style to avoid the jab jab right style of the past eras...no more left hand way down and stuck out to the front as the "on guard" stance...no more crouching over and susceptible to the short chopping right...no more lunging in on shots...no more back hand slaps...no more open hand parrys...