Head to head, Is Luis Ortiz the best southpaw heavyweight of all time?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Mistadobalina, Jun 21, 2022.

  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jul 4, 2014
    And isn't Ortiz the guy twice beaten by an utter fraud in Deontay Wilder?

    And what good does it do to cite fights that guys had when they were past it, with the exception of Sanders-Tubbs, when we know he hated boxing and only sporadically trained?
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  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 4, 2005
    Wouldn't even be top 5 in regards to best southpaw heavyweights.
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  3. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Well-Known Member Full Member

    Oct 22, 2020
    No. Moorer, Sanders, and Usyk all should beat him and have had better accomplishments than Ortiz. Ortiz isn't bad but let's not pretend like hes beaten anyone relevant besides Jennings years ago.
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  4. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

    May 6, 2021
    Calling him a contender is, itself, overrating him (ironically).

    On resume, he's a gatekeeper IMHO... And he's done sod all to prove otherwise.
  5. Cally

    Cally Sand...sand... nothing but sand! Full Member

    Sep 12, 2015
  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

    Jul 28, 2009
    Nobody listen to this guy. He doesn't know Ukesick is a media creation.
  7. Wasteman

    Wasteman Certified Wasteman (Confirmed) Full Member

    Jul 17, 2018
    When I first saw the title of this thread I thought obvious troll is obvious.
    But to my dismay, upon closer inspection, I have observed this not to be the case.
    All that's left is for me to do is echo everyone else's sentiments in saying OP has somehow managed to overlook a number of better candidates.
    Off the top of my head I offer up Usyk, Moorer, Sanders, Byrd and Chagaev
    If he'd managed to stop Wilder and then go on to make a title defence or two then I'd rate Ortiz higher but the fact is he tried twice and failed each time.
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  8. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Mar 7, 2012
    Shut up you fool.

    Chris Byrd dropped back to LHW to fight George!

    He was completely finished with no energy or punch resistance.

    Why would you even mention that?

    Why would you mention a non HW fight?

    That was Byrd’s penultimate fight.

    The last fight of his career is where he bulked back up by 20 pounds to go back up to HW.

    What a stupid comment to make.
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  9. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very physically stay humble Full Member

    Sep 5, 2016
    Byrd and Usyk are clearly better. Fury in southpaw would beat Old Man Ortiz as well.

    H2H Sanders would have a good chance of knocking him out.
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  10. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very physically stay humble Full Member

    Sep 5, 2016
    I forgot Chagaev and Ibragimov were southpaws. They were better as well, both H2H and in accomplishments.
  11. northpaw

    northpaw Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jun 5, 2010
    Ummmmmmmmm, Usyk? Chris Byrd? Moorer? White Tyson LOL, Hell Ibragimov

    /Thread :facepalm:
  12. turbotime

    turbotime Future Hall Of Famer Full Member

    May 4, 2012
    Moorer made Holyfield look stupid. Moorer all day for me.
  13. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

    Jan 18, 2010
    This thread went south fast... like with the typing of the thread title fast.
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  14. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    Jul 7, 2018
    He is the best southpaw over 80
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  15. ShortRound

    ShortRound Active Member Full Member

    Jun 6, 2022
    Your record of picking Wilder's fights is as bad as I've seen on this forum so you're no authority on the matter. Your criticisms of Wilder have nothing to do with his ability and a lot to do with personal dislike and dislike of his fans.

    If people want to cite Ortiz-Martin as a poor performance whilst omitting that Ortiz was washed up (being 42 officially, maybe several years older, one fight removed from his 2nd KO defeat to a massive puncher and virtually 25 months inactive) but still KO'd Martin anyway (who you probably picked to win) then the awful losing performances against Nate Tubbs, Shaun George etc. are more than fair game.
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