Head to Head Marciano against anyone under 190lb

Rocky may of missed quite a few punches but thats only cos he was fighting elusive, technical, pure boxers and he still ended up beating them by mostly stoppage.

Dempsey slung shots from his hips and got away with it against crude ordinary men with weak defense, while still getting tagged back himself.

Just watch that defense Marciano video on utube. He had a lot smart defensive tools in his box. He was also a very intelligent fighter. His opponents not only admitted to being out worked but out thought as well.
I see Rocky easily out smarting Dempsey. Setting traps and hitting him from angles he's never seen , unless it was against Tunney and he was soundly beaten in that fight.

Rocky was no slouch . If he thought he could catch you out of range he went for it with a jolt of speed out of nowhere.
Dempsey coming at Rock throwing wild arm punches gets his **** push in imo.

 

Some notes on people trying to claim Bivins was a LHW.

Jimmy Bivins last fight as a LHW was 06/08/1943

From 12/01/1943 to 02/17/1947 Bivins weighed 185-192 in 21 straight fights. He was recognized as the Duration Heavyweight Champion in this successful period.

Bivins weighed 186 to Moore's 168 in their August 1945 meeting. That's an 18 lb advantage for this so called LHW.

From 03/1947-06/48 Bivins weighed 182-187 in 14 straight fights.

He lost to Moore twice in this period. He weighed 184 and and 187 in these fights. Enjoying 10 and 15 lb weight advantages.

From 09/48 to 10/55 Bivins appeared sub 180 lbs for only 5 out of 33 fights at 177-179. He was over 180-192 for the rest.

180 and 185 in his last two meetings with Moore.

Your claim is bull****. Mine was balls on accurate.

 

So you rate Archie Moore where all time at heavyweight ?

 

# of times Bivins fought= 112
# of times Bivins weighed 200 or over = 0
# of times Bivins weighed between 200 and 175 = 84
# of times Bivins weighed over 185= 34
# of times Bivins weighed 175 or under = 28
conclusion: borderline light heavyweight-cruiserweight

 

HW is 175 and over at the time Bivins fought.

# of times Bivins weighed under 175 after 1943=0
# of times Bivins weighed over 175 after 1943=70
# of years Bivins was rated as a LHW=2
# of years Bivins was rated as a HW=7

Conclusion from 1943-1955 Jimmy Bivins was a HW.

 

And this thread is about fighters who weighed under 190. Number of times Bivins qualifies?

 

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

 

So if someone can scale 176 pounds day of the fight you consider them a heavyweight? Is Sergey Kovalev a heavyweight? Virgil Hill, Roy Jones Jr, Dariusz Michalczewski, Thomas Hearns?

 

It doesn't qualify today and hasn't for a long time. Laws and rules change. Used to be a 13 year old girl was considered a woman and could get married. We moved past that.

IBO boxing regulations
Heavyweight Over 200 lbs.
http://www.iboboxing.com/ibo_championship_rules_and_regulations.html

WBA boxing regulations
HEAVY More 200 Lbs
https://web.archive.org/web/2007080.../legal/LegalStatements/worldchampionships.pdf

WBC
Heavyweight (over 200-90.719)
https://web.archive.org/web/2007081...m?docId=94&docTipo=4&orderby=docid&sortby=ASC

WBO
Heavyweight Over 200 lbs or 90.91 kgs.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070926061740/http://www.wbo-int.com/revised/WBORulesReg04APR07.pdf

 

But that implies a moral angle, as if the old division categories were equivalent to ***ual engagement with a child, & the comparison is nonsense.

The olditimate.
Arguably more so than the rules which allow folks to make weight by early weigh ins then regaining much weight quickly.

I Googled it, but why use Ovid's Exile?
A bit highbrow for the forum! :roll:

 

Besides being anti-historical, quoting organizations which didn't exist back in the day, this doesn't even make logical sense. All the past champions were champions of an unlimited weight. There was no one who was too big to fight the heavyweight champion if he could earn the right to get in the ring with him.

The heavyweight division isn't defined by its lowest weight, but by its highest, which was in Marciano's era and all the way back, unlimited.

By the logic you're applying, Henry Armstrong did not win the welterweight championship from Barney Ross because he scaled under the lightweight limit, and Sugar Ray Robinson could not have won the lightheavyweight championship from Joey Maxim even if he beat him as Robinson scaled under the middleweight limit, and Billy Conn would not have been heavyweight champion if he beat Joe Louis as he scaled under the lightheavyweight limit. That is not the way it works.

 

So you wouldn't agree with me that people who think a 176 pound fighter is a heavyweight are the equivalent of pedophiles?:roll:

I have a literature degree. Ovid's my favorite poet. He was exiled to Tomis. My name is Thomas. It's that simple.

I don't know if it's too highbrow for the forum. Several of these chaps have written books, so I assume they all know how to read one. But if you want you can just call me Punchy.

 

This discussion of the pre-1960's heavyweight division versus the modern heavyweight division reminds me of Bob Wills' old song, "Time Changes Everything."

Or, as Ovid put it,

"tempus edax rerum"