Head2Head: Floyd Mayweather Jr v Pernell Whitaker at 147

Whitaker in an ugly ugly fight.

 

Why are you so impressed with Canelo? I'm not. I think Vasquez is better than any of them since you asked. Again, DLH was a far far inferior version to the one Pea fought. Think about it, DLH was well past his prime and past his best weight. Floyd was near prime. In STARK contrast... Pea was past his best... past his best weight.. fighting a PRIME Oscar at a solid weight for him. Guess what, Pea did better in that fight considering the above. Simple as that.

Pac - He wasn't impressive in that fight nor at this stage of his career. In fact, I'd McGirt to beat that version of Pac and Judah and Maidana. I'd also pick Chavez to beat all three. I think Rivera beats Judah as well.

You also left out all their lightweight fights... Why is that? Again though, you just asked me more questions without actually answering mine. Please list the fighter next to the ones I listed that are AT LEAST as good or better than the name next to them.

 

Are you trying to say that the 154 limit didn't favor Oscar in his fight with Floyd? That's in stark contrast to reality.

 

Still waiting for those fighters that compare...

I already said how I feel on the matter. I'll say it again.

Floyd was near prime when he fought Oscar. Oscar on the other hand was past his prime.. past his best weight.. and still fought competitively with a prime/near prime Floyd

now....

Oscar was prime when he fought Whitaker and at one of his best weights. In stark contrast, Whitaker was well past his prime and best weight when he fought him.

Now.. is anything I said above not true? Are you actually telling me Floyd fought the better Oscar? Are you actually telling me, that when you look at the entire context... Floyd did better than Pea?

 

Answer the question

 

Concession accepted then. You haven't answered my initial question. BTW... Oscar is better at 147 than he was at 154. That's a fun flash fact

 

Canelo's no ATG but I don't get why folks around here are so dismissive of him. Canelo has great handspeed, great bodywork, very good power, great all-around strength, underrated defense, and a very solid chin. I would pick him on the night Floyd beat him head-to-head over any of the men Whitaker beat on the nights that he beat them.

Like the judges, I thought that Whitaker clearly lost the DLH fight, so the Oscar comparison doesn't work for me. But in any case, I'm not sure that the 154-lb Oscar was really all that inferior to the 147-lb version. Maybe in the pound-for-pound sense but if you put them in the ring together, does the smaller, younger Oscar dominate?

I didn't leave out any lightweight fighters--there was no point in mentioning them. My point was that Floyd beat bigger, stronger fighters who I think would beat most of the top smaller fighters that Pernell beat (on a sidenote, I think that Castillo and Corrales would do just fine against many of Whitaker's best lightweight wins).

 

You are spot on. Anyone disagreeing with your assessment is clueless. :good

 

Proud to be clueless! :nut

 

I don't think you honestly believe Canelo would be Vasquez, or at least I hope you don't. I certainly don't see it that way myself. I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm simply saying I'm not overly impressed with him.

Yes I do actually. I don't know about dominate or anything of the like. What I do know is that Oscar at 147 is the distinctly better fighter. This is shown by his wins, and just by a simple eye test. Obviously I strongly disagree that Oscar clearly won that fight, as did others. For the press and many others to pick Pea, means he obviously fought a good enough fight for people to think he won. Doesn't matter if you believe it, many did. Thus when a past his best.. past his best weight.. beats a prime Oscar and his best weight... yeah it's mean a lot.

Like you, I also think those are two of his best wins. What I'm saying, and been saying, is that Whitaker simply beat better guys. This is further illustrated at lightweight.

Floyd probably has fought bigger guys, but I LOL'd at the better. No way no how is that true. However Floyd was also naturally bigger than Pea, so he of course was able to take more of those fights. This point hardly means anything though.

 

Whitaker would win a ridiculously competitive decision, UD. Each round will be won or lost by small things
Pernell had better offence, better instinctive defense that has greater scope even if taken to the trenches, better inside game. Whitaker just has that extra bit in his ****nal, I feel.
However, Mayweather's height and reach advantage, as well as his speed will actually help him in this fight.

 

I agree with you throughout this whole thread, basically word for word.
I would say that Oscar and Pea have equal cases for the win, it was such an even fight.
With that said, Oscar was 3-4 years past prime, part time, depressed and drug addicted, as well as his stamina issues (that has always been a factor in his career) being further exacerbated by all of the aforementioned factors.