Headbutt being ignored by the media?

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  1. jjax

    jjax Active Member Full Member

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    Has anyone else noticed that Holt's headbutt, the biggest factor in the outcome, is being ignored by press reports?

    One article said that "there heads may have collided", others completely ignored it and said that Holt's body shot made Torres buckle over. You would think IntentionalButt wrote all these articles.

    There is a very clear bias towards Holt in the media, they're probably glad an American beat a foreigner on Independence weekend, and wanted payback for the controversy in Columbia.

    Lame. Just report the facts you dolts, let the viewer interpret it.
     
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  2. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    The guy over in maxboxing doesnt mention the headbutt at all.
     
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  3. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Are you ****ing kidding me with this xenophobic bull****.

    You wanna know why the butt was barely mentioned...because it didnt have the effect YOU feel it did.

    YES, it hurt Torres...but Torres was already hurt by a FANTASTIC body shot...and he got finished off by one hell of a right hand.

    You mention facts, but ignore everything other than the unintentional butt that happened...what you are referring to is YOUR OPINION (a clearly biased one as well I might add). Dont get this confused with what fact is.

    :verysad
     
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  4. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Not a single news article mentioning this in their headlines. Though Torres was interviewed according to the site where boxing is on the scene and he claims he got careless and Holt got him. Holt was all classy about it and claimed he didn't see the first KD coming but the second he saw and couldn't do anything about it.

    View this site to track down the article: http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Boxing
     
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  5. jjax

    jjax Active Member Full Member

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    :nut

    You're right, how foolish of me. When Zab Judah's thug posse shoots Clottey in the ring, I should instead focus on how Zab punched Clottey while he was bleeding to death, since that's what directly caused the KO.

    None of this matters. The headbutt happened and must be reported, regardless of any of our interpretations of it.

    Please keep your stupid comments to yourself, or at least don't address them to me.
     
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  6. Ilesey

    Ilesey ~ Full Member

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    Fair comment.

    However, your post doesn't allude to the fact that the headbutt was unintentional.
     
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  7. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's part of boxing. It happened. Torres was bothered but he wasn't hurt. There is a difference. Anytime you have a head bump into your face, you're going to react and be disoriented for a few seconds. That happened. But Holt got it done. Come on, before that, everyone thought Holt was going to get KTFO. It was an amazing fight. Leave it at that. There is no bias.
     
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  8. Lupe

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    Actually, the headbutt staggered Torres to the ropes and threw him off-balanced. So how can it not have an effect on the outcome?
     
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  9. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    How would anyone know if it was unintentional?
     
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  10. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    So the head butt must be reported...

    Hmmmm, lets take a look at an exerpt from your original post.

    :huh

    You also mentioned that they were ignoring the "biggest factor of the fight". Which again, was FACT to you. Yet you ignored what THEY (and many others) feel was the biggest factor...the tremendous body shot and the huge right hand.

    Again, what you were refering to was not fact, it was your biased opinion.

    And your comment about Judah was ****ing idiotic, ignorant and had no basis or relationship to the fight in question, nor to the reference that I made to the fight...

    And Im sorry...I should have known you had no idea what xenophobic was (google it)...next time I will use smaller words for ya!!!

    :thumbsup
     
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  11. Ilesey

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    To be fair, I don't think he, or anyone else is saying that unless I'm mistaken.

    To quote him he does mention the headbutt "did hurt Torres" but also doesn't ignore the body shot which seemingly bent Torres over and the right hand that left him spark out.
     
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  12. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    When did I say it didnt effect the outcome???

    I said the reporters reporting on it felt it didnt have the effect that the original poster did.

    I even qualified that afterward by saying IT DID HURT TORRES!!!???
     
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  13. Ilesey

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    People can come to a conclusion from what they saw, and from what I saw, there was no intent from Holt.
     
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  14. jjax

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    klion, it's not about who won or being fair, it's about reporting what happened. Some say Torres wasn't hurt or that Holt deserves all the credit, but regardless, it was painfully obvious the headbutt affected the unfolding events leading to the knockout, and yet is being completely ignored by the supposedly unbiased media.

    It still stands that the butt and the apparent effects on Torres have to be reported, followed by a comment saying it's not clear if it was intentional. To omit it entirely or suggest there was a "clash of head" affecting them equally is ludicrous.

    I don't know if there is a bias for Holt as the American, but the media reports would certainly make one think so. The only writer that mentions it is Tim Starks, a highly respectable boxing critic without mainstream visibility: http://mvn.com/boxing/

    Right after the fight emotions are running high, I've probably been insulting in my posts, I'm off for the night. This will probably be less frustrating tomorrow, but no less true.
     
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  15. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Definately was unintentional....cant see how someone can look at it and say otherwise???
     
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