Hear me out for a minute: Floyd would beat Sugar Ray Robinson

Right..."offically" No, but in reality yes!!

Corley did hurt Floyd...you didn't watch the fight if you say otherwise. He was holding on and he was cleary wobbley. He recovered but there isn't any question that Floyd was hurt. I suggest you watch the fight or search for it on youtube.

 

Wait, did he actually say Floyd would outbox and beat LaMotta easily. LaMotta, the MW and natural LHW LaMotta? Getting outboxed and beaten by a small WW? Seriously, GCrap, just stop.

 

Dude.....Again, these guys from back in the day were solid bro...they ***uth all the time...30 losses out of 150 fights is like a fighter with 34 wins and 5 defeats. it's not that hard of a pill to swallow. You just look at this topic with a narrow point of view. Many do but it helps to understand the differences in the mentality of today from back then. Boxers today are very much about the money and less about the one on one competition and love of the sport. Some still show that appreciation of the sweet science but many are very ego centric.

 

What he also doesn't seem to realize was that fighters who fought back in those days used tune ups as sparring sessions basically. They didn't train for months and months with sparring sessions to prepare for one fight. They had constant fights on the road to keep in shape, which is a main reason why you'll see a lot of bums on top old-school fighters resumes.

 

Floyd does the same thing given his confidence he has over his opponent. Floyd is a very text book type of fighter, usually he is all about technique and his game plan but when he gets a guy he knows offers no challenge he will let loose and throw looping shots, uppercuts from the outside, lunges in with punches ect.

 

Basilio is basically a bigger, stronger, tougher, harder chinned, more skilled version of Hatton. How would he not do good in today's game?

Fullmer was known for having one of the best chins of all time, and was a very effective pressure fighter/puncher. What makes you think he'd be murdered by a guy who was there to be hit at all times? You underrate these guys because they're old school and you automatically think they're primitive. Armstrong actually fought PRIOR to guys like Fullmer and Basilio, so why are they primitive but not him? Stylistically, what did he possess that they didn't? I ask you this not because I doubt him in comparison, but to see what you know of the fighters you speak about. You've shown very little knowledge thus far. I clearly pointed out crude fighters on Floyd's resume, and could continue to pick out crude or technically unsound fighters who've had success in the modern era(Mayorga, Hamed, etc). You don't think things like this through because it disproves your argument.

 

I'm not gonna clown the guy. He obviously likes boxing but he loves Mayweather! Which many fans on this message board are guilty of. Those fans of specific fighters and not of the sport tend to have these unrealistic views.

He's not a lost hope, I think he's reading and listening but it will take a lot of logic and reasoning from guys who really do know boxing to help him out.

Of couse Mayweather would have more than his hands full with Lamotta. #1 b/c of the size and #2, #3 and #4...Lamatto was a beast, had a iron Chin and was relentless.

The shere determination and willingness to eat punches with no effect would have been mental suicide for floyd after 8 rounds. He could still win..>BUT he'd have to be on his toes and have on his best pair of track shoes to keep the Raging bull off his leather trunks.

 

No, it's not, not if you watch his fights with top notch fighters like the ones I pointed out. Gavilan being a prime example once again. How did Fullmer and Basilio beat Robinson if they are so primitive? You've said that you consider Robinson modern, just not as good as Floydlol: ), so what makes them primitive?

 

Really? I tend to agree given that Gene, Armstrong and Gavilan are 25 to 30 pounds lighter....but Armstron would have boxed the **** out of pavlik unless Pav got in a clean punch. There are advantages with being the bigger guy who is also skilled in the sweet science. If they were similar in size your argument is shot dead.

 

That's my point! Ray is a great talent and in his day there were very few who could match him....not b/c no one was skilled but b/c his talent level was so much higher than everyone else.

But this is boxing.....Talent is a PLUS...not the one and only thing these guys needed to be great! Alot of those guys HAD to be skilled even with 10+ losses b/c of their activity...in losses they learned, implemented new techniques and new fight statagies to get better.

Floyd is a tremendous talent and that's why he is #1 P4P TODAY. But to say he BEATs a guy who's entire life was boxing and faught more times than Floyd had in AM and Pro fights means a lot and has to be taken in to consideration.

 

We are talking about a clearly bigger man fighting Mayweather. Mayweather beat an old Oscar, but Robinson is like a bigger, prime Oscar on steroids and It was clear to me how Oscar was able to exploit his size advantage even though his speed and accuracy are shot. It is a no brainer pick -- but it isn't fair. Floyd should be compared to the greats at 135 and 140. In that range he is right there with the ATGs.

- Jason